Interview with Bob Gurr, Walt Disney's Imagineer! - Randomland Conversations #1

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0:38 idea of this crazy long interview this

0:38 idea of this crazy long interview this first guest has been a good friend of

0:40 first guest has been a good friend of

0:40 first guest has been a good friend of mine for several years it's none other

0:42 mine for several years it's none other

0:42 mine for several years it's none other than legendary Disney imagineer Bob gurr

0:45 than legendary Disney imagineer Bob gurr

0:45 than legendary Disney imagineer Bob gurr one of the last living people he's 91

0:47 one of the last living people he's 91

0:47 one of the last living people he's 91 years old who worked with Walt Disney

0:50 years old who worked with Walt Disney

0:50 years old who worked with Walt Disney closely to create Disneyland he worked

0:53 closely to create Disneyland he worked

0:53 closely to create Disneyland he worked on the autopia cars the main street

0:55 on the autopia cars the main street

0:55 on the autopia cars the main street vehicles the Matterhorn the monorail

0:58 vehicles the Matterhorn the monorail

0:58 vehicles the Matterhorn the monorail he's the creator of the monorail

1:00 he's the creator of the monorail

1:00 he's the creator of the monorail so much more The Haunted Mansion the

1:02 so much more The Haunted Mansion the

1:02 so much more The Haunted Mansion the list goes on and on and on now Bob and I

1:04 list goes on and on and on now Bob and I

1:04 list goes on and on and on now Bob and I have had many interesting conversations

1:06 have had many interesting conversations

1:06 have had many interesting conversations over the years including on the nature

1:08 over the years including on the nature

1:08 over the years including on the nature of creativity where does genius come is

1:10 of creativity where does genius come is

1:10 of creativity where does genius come is it born can it be taught all these

1:12 it born can it be taught all these

1:12 it born can it be taught all these different kinds of Concepts and

1:13 different kinds of Concepts and

1:13 different kinds of Concepts and different things and Bob of course

1:15 different things and Bob of course

1:15 different things and Bob of course worked on let's say a hundred projects

1:17 worked on let's say a hundred projects

1:17 worked on let's say a hundred projects for the Walt Disney Company but more

1:19 for the Walt Disney Company but more

1:19 for the Walt Disney Company but more than 150 projects for other companies

1:23 than 150 projects for other companies

1:23 than 150 projects for other companies and so Bob's got a very long history a

1:25 and so Bob's got a very long history a

1:25 and so Bob's got a very long history a lot of very interesting stuff being born

1:27 lot of very interesting stuff being born

1:27 lot of very interesting stuff being born in 1931 he saw a lot of crazy historical

1:29 in 1931 he saw a lot of crazy historical

1:29 in 1931 he saw a lot of crazy historical events and we talk a little bit in the

1:32 events and we talk a little bit in the

1:32 events and we talk a little bit in the version you're going to see about Bob's

1:35 version you're going to see about Bob's

1:35 version you're going to see about Bob's upbringing working for the Ford Motor

1:37 upbringing working for the Ford Motor

1:37 upbringing working for the Ford Motor Company in the 1950s and of course

1:39 Company in the 1950s and of course

1:39 Company in the 1950s and of course because it's for YouTube we talk a lot

1:41 because it's for YouTube we talk a lot

1:41 because it's for YouTube we talk a lot about Disneyland and what uh Walt Disney

1:44 about Disneyland and what uh Walt Disney

1:44 about Disneyland and what uh Walt Disney was like but the full much more

1:46 was like but the full much more

1:46 was like but the full much more interesting long version like I said

1:48 interesting long version like I said

1:48 interesting long version like I said three and a half hours long with all

1:50 three and a half hours long with all

1:50 three and a half hours long with all kinds of conversation in it is available

1:52 kinds of conversation in it is available

1:52 kinds of conversation in it is available at patreon if you'd like to go see that

1:54 at patreon if you'd like to go see that

1:54 at patreon if you'd like to go see that and without further Ado I'd like to take

1:56 and without further Ado I'd like to take

1:56 and without further Ado I'd like to take you to the haunted Orange County Studio

1:59 you to the haunted Orange County Studio

1:59 you to the haunted Orange County Studio of hauntedoc.com they're helping us with

2:01 of hauntedoc.com they're helping us with

2:01 of hauntedoc.com they're helping us with the video production part of the podcast

2:03 the video production part of the podcast

2:03 the video production part of the podcast so we can talk to Legendary Disney

2:06 so we can talk to Legendary Disney

2:06 so we can talk to Legendary Disney imagineer and my good friend Bob Bob yes

2:09 imagineer and my good friend Bob Bob yes

2:09 imagineer and my good friend Bob Bob yes I am so excited to have you in here for

2:12 I am so excited to have you in here for

2:12 I am so excited to have you in here for years I've been wanting to sit you down

2:14 years I've been wanting to sit you down

2:14 years I've been wanting to sit you down and have a conversation with you on

2:16 and have a conversation with you on

2:16 and have a conversation with you on camera and talk to you about a bunch of

2:18 camera and talk to you about a bunch of

2:18 camera and talk to you about a bunch of different stuff first off it's really

2:20 different stuff first off it's really

2:20 different stuff first off it's really neat to be in the randomland studio

2:22 neat to be in the randomland studio

2:22 neat to be in the randomland studio haunted Orange County yeah uh very

2:25 haunted Orange County yeah uh very

2:25 haunted Orange County yeah uh very professional setup because I understand

2:27 professional setup because I understand

2:27 professional setup because I understand you're kind of launching a new kind of

2:29 you're kind of launching a new kind of

2:29 you're kind of launching a new kind of Series yeah this is the first episode

2:31 Series yeah this is the first episode

2:31 Series yeah this is the first episode now you've started to explain it where

2:33 now you've started to explain it where

2:33 now you've started to explain it where we you get a guest in here and you can

2:36 we you get a guest in here and you can

2:36 we you get a guest in here and you can just chat all we want which is easy

2:39 just chat all we want which is easy

2:39 just chat all we want which is easy going yeah people have heard my name and

2:41 going yeah people have heard my name and

2:41 going yeah people have heard my name and associated with the Disney company but

2:43 associated with the Disney company but

2:43 associated with the Disney company but associated with other projects too so in

2:46 associated with other projects too so in

2:46 associated with other projects too so in the simplest sense to say how did all

2:49 the simplest sense to say how did all

2:49 the simplest sense to say how did all this start it was very simple I was a

2:51 this start it was very simple I was a

2:51 this start it was very simple I was a little kid five years old I love cars I

2:54 little kid five years old I love cars I

2:54 little kid five years old I love cars I loved airplanes went to Art Center

2:57 loved airplanes went to Art Center

2:57 loved airplanes went to Art Center School wanted to be a car stylist which

2:59 School wanted to be a car stylist which

2:59 School wanted to be a car stylist which is a bad name and and these days it's

3:02 is a bad name and and these days it's

3:03 is a bad name and and these days it's called car designers yeah went to Heart

3:05 called car designers yeah went to Heart

3:05 called car designers yeah went to Heart Center wound up being at the Ford Motor

3:07 Center wound up being at the Ford Motor

3:07 Center wound up being at the Ford Motor Company a dead-end job came back here

3:10 Company a dead-end job came back here

3:10 Company a dead-end job came back here goofed off went to the beach every day I

3:12 goofed off went to the beach every day I

3:12 goofed off went to the beach every day I actually had no goal in life this was

3:15 actually had no goal in life this was

3:15 actually had no goal in life this was like

3:16 like

3:16 like 1950 uh 53 54 right and then I get a

3:22 1950 uh 53 54 right and then I get a

3:22 1950 uh 53 54 right and then I get a call from the Walt Disney Studio

3:24 call from the Walt Disney Studio

3:24 call from the Walt Disney Studio and the rest is history and for 20 years

3:27 and the rest is history and for 20 years

3:27 and the rest is history and for 20 years beyond the 27 years of Walt Disney

3:30 beyond the 27 years of Walt Disney

3:30 beyond the 27 years of Walt Disney I designed all kinds of crazy projects

3:33 I designed all kinds of crazy projects

3:33 I designed all kinds of crazy projects for everybody else a hundred for Walt

3:36 for everybody else a hundred for Walt

3:36 for everybody else a hundred for Walt Disney and 120

3:39 Disney and 120

3:39 Disney and 120 150 for everybody else people ask the

3:43 150 for everybody else people ask the

3:43 150 for everybody else people ask the questions on the 100 I wish they'd asked

3:46 questions on the 100 I wish they'd asked

3:46 questions on the 100 I wish they'd asked more questions about the 150 I know

3:48 more questions about the 150 I know

3:48 more questions about the 150 I know hopefully you will do that today yes I

3:50 hopefully you will do that today yes I

3:50 hopefully you will do that today yes I hope so that was one thing I know we

3:52 hope so that was one thing I know we

3:52 hope so that was one thing I know we have to talk about obviously the people

3:54 have to talk about obviously the people

3:54 have to talk about obviously the people who watch me and people who are familiar

3:56 who watch me and people who are familiar

3:56 who watch me and people who are familiar with you they have all kinds of

3:57 with you they have all kinds of

3:57 with you they have all kinds of questions about Disneyland where you

4:00 questions about Disneyland where you

4:00 questions about Disneyland where you invented pretty much everything worth

4:02 invented pretty much everything worth

4:02 invented pretty much everything worth pointing at especially back in the in

4:04 pointing at especially back in the in

4:04 pointing at especially back in the in its golden era I would say and so of

4:07 its golden era I would say and so of

4:07 its golden era I would say and so of course we have to have Disneyland

4:08 course we have to have Disneyland

4:08 course we have to have Disneyland questions but that one thing I've known

4:10 questions but that one thing I've known

4:10 questions but that one thing I've known you for about 10 percent of your life

4:13 you for about 10 percent of your life

4:13 you for about 10 percent of your life which is a bigger percentage of mine and

4:16 which is a bigger percentage of mine and

4:16 which is a bigger percentage of mine and we've talked about all kinds of of

4:18 we've talked about all kinds of of

4:18 we've talked about all kinds of of projects and all kinds of just things

4:21 projects and all kinds of just things

4:21 projects and all kinds of just things relating to creativity relating to

4:23 relating to creativity relating to

4:23 relating to creativity relating to things that you've learned over the

4:24 things that you've learned over the

4:24 things that you've learned over the years and there's there's so much

4:26 years and there's there's so much

4:26 years and there's there's so much fascinating knowledge trapped inside

4:28 fascinating knowledge trapped inside

4:28 fascinating knowledge trapped inside your head so I hope that we have time to

4:30 your head so I hope that we have time to

4:30 your head so I hope that we have time to get to lots of stuff and the good thing

4:32 get to lots of stuff and the good thing

4:32 get to lots of stuff and the good thing about the haunted Orange County Studios

4:34 about the haunted Orange County Studios

4:34 about the haunted Orange County Studios we can stay in here as long as we can

4:36 we can stay in here as long as we can

4:36 we can stay in here as long as we can stand the summer heat and talk as long

4:38 stand the summer heat and talk as long

4:38 stand the summer heat and talk as long as we want so hopefully we'll we'll get

4:40 as we want so hopefully we'll we'll get

4:40 as we want so hopefully we'll we'll get to a lot of that good stuff you ended up

4:42 to a lot of that good stuff you ended up

4:42 to a lot of that good stuff you ended up designing all these things that people

4:44 designing all these things that people

4:44 designing all these things that people play on and so I don't want us to start

4:46 play on and so I don't want us to start

4:46 play on and so I don't want us to start way back and ask you when you were a kid

4:48 way back and ask you when you were a kid

4:48 way back and ask you when you were a kid you were born 1931 right when you were a

4:52 you were born 1931 right when you were a

4:52 you were born 1931 right when you were a kid what did you play with what were

4:55 kid what did you play with what were

4:55 kid what did you play with what were your favorite toys what did you play

4:57 your favorite toys what did you play

4:57 your favorite toys what did you play with any mechanical thing that I could

4:59 with any mechanical thing that I could

5:00 with any mechanical thing that I could take apart and see how it worked and

5:01 take apart and see how it worked and

5:01 take apart and see how it worked and never got it put back together correctly

5:03 never got it put back together correctly

5:03 never got it put back together correctly again

5:04 again

5:04 again that was the main thrush and I think by

5:08 that was the main thrush and I think by

5:08 that was the main thrush and I think by the time I was maybe five going into six

5:11 the time I was maybe five going into six

5:11 the time I was maybe five going into six my father figured out what am I going to

5:14 my father figured out what am I going to

5:14 my father figured out what am I going to do with little Robert he takes

5:15 do with little Robert he takes

5:15 do with little Robert he takes everything apart

5:17 everything apart

5:17 everything apart he bought me a metal Erector Set this is

5:21 he bought me a metal Erector Set this is

5:21 he bought me a metal Erector Set this is a big uh steel box yeah and all kinds of

5:24 a big uh steel box yeah and all kinds of

5:24 a big uh steel box yeah and all kinds of metal parts of all kinds had some wheels

5:26 metal parts of all kinds had some wheels

5:26 metal parts of all kinds had some wheels and things like that uh there was

5:28 and things like that uh there was

5:28 and things like that uh there was another thing that went with it at about

5:31 another thing that went with it at about

5:31 another thing that went with it at about the same time a thing called Tinker toy

5:33 the same time a thing called Tinker toy

5:33 the same time a thing called Tinker toy the Tinker toy is like little wooden

5:35 the Tinker toy is like little wooden

5:35 the Tinker toy is like little wooden spools and a bunch of sticks you could

5:37 spools and a bunch of sticks you could

5:37 spools and a bunch of sticks you could kind of make little constructs but it

5:39 kind of make little constructs but it

5:39 kind of make little constructs but it really wasn't a mechanical thing right

5:42 really wasn't a mechanical thing right

5:42 really wasn't a mechanical thing right but as soon as I got the erector set now

5:45 but as soon as I got the erector set now

5:45 but as soon as I got the erector set now my father's problem went away and now I

5:49 my father's problem went away and now I

5:49 my father's problem went away and now I had something I could do because I think

5:51 had something I could do because I think

5:51 had something I could do because I think from the outset not knowing that's not

5:54 from the outset not knowing that's not

5:54 from the outset not knowing that's not the way other kids did I always wanted

5:57 the way other kids did I always wanted

5:57 the way other kids did I always wanted to make something that didn't exist

6:00 to make something that didn't exist

6:00 to make something that didn't exist I mean it's that's a profound thing yeah

6:02 I mean it's that's a profound thing yeah

6:02 I mean it's that's a profound thing yeah if when I look back but that's what I

6:05 if when I look back but that's what I

6:05 if when I look back but that's what I was doing

6:06 was doing

6:06 was doing if you have a

6:08 if you have a

6:08 if you have a Crayola's paper you could do that I got

6:11 Crayola's paper you could do that I got

6:11 Crayola's paper you could do that I got in trouble

6:13 in trouble

6:13 in trouble because I had Crayolas and I had a white

6:16 because I had Crayolas and I had a white

6:16 because I had Crayolas and I had a white wall in the closet and I drew pictures

6:19 wall in the closet and I drew pictures

6:19 wall in the closet and I drew pictures of airplanes on the closet walk oh and

6:22 of airplanes on the closet walk oh and

6:22 of airplanes on the closet walk oh and after that they their mother made made

6:25 after that they their mother made made

6:25 after that they their mother made made sure I had paper to go with the Crayolas

6:27 sure I had paper to go with the Crayolas

6:27 sure I had paper to go with the Crayolas I have to admit I also frescoed a wall

6:30 I have to admit I also frescoed a wall

6:30 I have to admit I also frescoed a wall in my in my parents

6:33 in my in my parents

6:33 in my in my parents not only that but once I had those

6:36 not only that but once I had those

6:36 not only that but once I had those little oil pastel things and I did the

6:38 little oil pastel things and I did the

6:38 little oil pastel things and I did the carpet I did the whole mural on the

6:41 carpet I did the whole mural on the

6:41 carpet I did the whole mural on the carpet it was not good yes you have a

6:43 carpet it was not good yes you have a

6:43 carpet it was not good yes you have a toy but you're taking it apart but don't

6:46 toy but you're taking it apart but don't

6:46 toy but you're taking it apart but don't worry you're not going to put that one

6:47 worry you're not going to put that one

6:47 worry you're not going to put that one together again you're always going to do

6:49 together again you're always going to do

6:49 together again you're always going to do something different

6:50 something different

6:50 something different and I think that's the clue that I was

6:54 and I think that's the clue that I was

6:54 and I think that's the clue that I was interested in doing stuff that way yeah

6:56 interested in doing stuff that way yeah

6:56 interested in doing stuff that way yeah because quite obviously uh starting with

6:58 because quite obviously uh starting with

6:58 because quite obviously uh starting with Walt Disney he wants a body for an

7:02 Walt Disney he wants a body for an

7:02 Walt Disney he wants a body for an autopia car oh next he wants something

7:05 autopia car oh next he wants something

7:05 autopia car oh next he wants something like an Omnibus oh he wants an antique

7:08 like an Omnibus oh he wants an antique

7:08 like an Omnibus oh he wants an antique car oh he wants a few and iron train oh

7:10 car oh he wants a few and iron train oh

7:10 car oh he wants a few and iron train oh he wants a monorail yeah so each one of

7:13 he wants a monorail yeah so each one of

7:13 he wants a monorail yeah so each one of these was a never repeat what you just

7:15 these was a never repeat what you just

7:15 these was a never repeat what you just did I go to the art center school

7:17 did I go to the art center school

7:17 did I go to the art center school because it's the number one school in

7:19 because it's the number one school in

7:19 because it's the number one school in Los Angeles for Auto for auto styling

7:22 Los Angeles for Auto for auto styling

7:22 Los Angeles for Auto for auto styling part of the industrial design curriculum

7:25 part of the industrial design curriculum

7:25 part of the industrial design curriculum these auto companies would come out to

7:27 these auto companies would come out to

7:27 these auto companies would come out to Art Center or maybe a month before

7:29 Art Center or maybe a month before

7:29 Art Center or maybe a month before graduation

7:30 graduation

7:30 graduation and you don't wait for a student to

7:32 and you don't wait for a student to

7:32 and you don't wait for a student to graduate and then have them fill out a

7:34 graduate and then have them fill out a

7:34 graduate and then have them fill out a resume in those days stylists had what

7:38 resume in those days stylists had what

7:38 resume in those days stylists had what you'd be like a scout for baseball

7:40 you'd be like a scout for baseball

7:40 you'd be like a scout for baseball rights they'd Scout the schools and they

7:43 rights they'd Scout the schools and they

7:43 rights they'd Scout the schools and they knew what you were capable of in other

7:44 knew what you were capable of in other

7:44 knew what you were capable of in other words yeah and they'd get with some of

7:46 words yeah and they'd get with some of

7:46 words yeah and they'd get with some of the instructors the department heads and

7:48 the instructors the department heads and

7:48 the instructors the department heads and say what's your what's your best guys

7:50 say what's your what's your best guys

7:50 say what's your what's your best guys the department ahead came to me and said

7:52 the department ahead came to me and said

7:52 the department ahead came to me and said in two days you're going to go to

7:54 in two days you're going to go to

7:54 in two days you're going to go to Detroit

7:55 Detroit

7:55 Detroit and you're going to drive there and

7:58 and you're going to drive there and

7:58 and you're going to drive there and you're going to bring your car in uh

8:00 you're going to bring your car in uh

8:00 you're going to bring your car in uh today and we have a model of the new

8:02 today and we have a model of the new

8:02 today and we have a model of the new school that we want to ship to Detroit

8:05 school that we want to ship to Detroit

8:05 school that we want to ship to Detroit but we think you should carry it

8:07 but we think you should carry it

8:07 but we think you should carry it privately in the trunk of your car so

8:09 privately in the trunk of your car so

8:09 privately in the trunk of your car so you were you were just meant to drop

8:11 you were you were just meant to drop

8:11 you were you were just meant to drop something off that was it that's going

8:13 something off that was it that's going

8:13 something off that was it that's going to drop something off and go back to LA

8:15 to drop something off and go back to LA

8:15 to drop something off and go back to LA and you ended up working at the Ford

8:17 and you ended up working at the Ford

8:17 and you ended up working at the Ford Motor Club okay the agreement was I

8:20 Motor Club okay the agreement was I

8:20 Motor Club okay the agreement was I would meet Frank Hershey uh in my car

8:23 would meet Frank Hershey uh in my car

8:23 would meet Frank Hershey uh in my car and meet him at his car on a certain

8:25 and meet him at his car on a certain

8:25 and meet him at his car on a certain intersection in Dearborn which is west

8:28 intersection in Dearborn which is west

8:28 intersection in Dearborn which is west of Detroit right he would take me to the

8:30 of Detroit right he would take me to the

8:30 of Detroit right he would take me to the Ford

8:32 Ford

8:32 Ford a Rouge Plant

8:34 a Rouge Plant

8:34 a Rouge Plant well we went the other direction

8:38 well we went the other direction

8:38 well we went the other direction and I followed him and the next thing I

8:40 and I followed him and the next thing I

8:40 and I followed him and the next thing I know we're in a parking lot looking at

8:43 know we're in a parking lot looking at

8:43 know we're in a parking lot looking at the side door of the Ford styling

8:45 the side door of the Ford styling

8:45 the side door of the Ford styling Department oh

8:48 Department oh

8:48 Department oh [Laughter]

8:51 [Laughter]

8:51 [Laughter] I go in the door and Frank uh

8:55 I go in the door and Frank uh

8:55 I go in the door and Frank uh introduces me to some people and said

8:57 introduces me to some people and said

8:57 introduces me to some people and said Bob is here now and Bob is here now sign

9:01 Bob is here now and Bob is here now sign

9:01 Bob is here now and Bob is here now sign him up

9:02 him up

9:02 him up and all this happened so quick but I

9:05 and all this happened so quick but I

9:05 and all this happened so quick but I believe Frank Hershey is a very famous

9:07 believe Frank Hershey is a very famous

9:07 believe Frank Hershey is a very famous designer yeah I'd met him a couple of

9:09 designer yeah I'd met him a couple of

9:09 designer yeah I'd met him a couple of years early he's the guy by the way who

9:12 years early he's the guy by the way who

9:12 years early he's the guy by the way who designed like the very first uh

9:15 designed like the very first uh

9:15 designed like the very first uh Thunderbird so when you were working

9:17 Thunderbird so when you were working

9:17 Thunderbird so when you were working there in the in as a stylist were you

9:20 there in the in as a stylist were you

9:20 there in the in as a stylist were you were you doing primarily a lot of you

9:23 were you doing primarily a lot of you

9:23 were you doing primarily a lot of you know colored drawings or are we talking

9:25 know colored drawings or are we talking

9:25 know colored drawings or are we talking about more mechanical looking drawings

9:27 about more mechanical looking drawings

9:27 about more mechanical looking drawings or is it more concept no no these are

9:29 or is it more concept no no these are

9:29 or is it more concept no no these are basically concept

9:31 basically concept

9:31 basically concept uh and when I'm talking about drawings

9:34 uh and when I'm talking about drawings

9:34 uh and when I'm talking about drawings we would draw in those days a full-size

9:37 we would draw in those days a full-size

9:37 we would draw in those days a full-size car right flat on a wall with an

9:39 car right flat on a wall with an

9:39 car right flat on a wall with an airbrush and I was really good at

9:41 airbrush and I was really good at

9:41 airbrush and I was really good at throwing a big step which means you have

9:43 throwing a big step which means you have

9:43 throwing a big step which means you have to be a good artist oh yeah and at the

9:46 to be a good artist oh yeah and at the

9:46 to be a good artist oh yeah and at the same time we were designing the 1955

9:48 same time we were designing the 1955

9:48 same time we were designing the 1955 Lincoln see they worked two or three

9:50 Lincoln see they worked two or three

9:50 Lincoln see they worked two or three years ahead right so some of the details

9:53 years ahead right so some of the details

9:53 years ahead right so some of the details on the 55 Lincoln if you remember on the

9:56 on the 55 Lincoln if you remember on the

9:56 on the 55 Lincoln if you remember on the headlights of 55 Lincoln you can

9:58 headlights of 55 Lincoln you can

9:58 headlights of 55 Lincoln you can probably go on the internet and see a

10:00 probably go on the internet and see a

10:00 probably go on the internet and see a picture yeah and had a headlight Bell

10:02 picture yeah and had a headlight Bell

10:02 picture yeah and had a headlight Bell puzzle looks like a North American f-86

10:05 puzzle looks like a North American f-86

10:05 puzzle looks like a North American f-86 saber jet

10:07 saber jet

10:07 saber jet I love the f-86 and I and Gil spirit I

10:11 I love the f-86 and I and Gil spirit I

10:11 I love the f-86 and I and Gil spirit I mean um Bill Schmidt was the kind of guy

10:14 mean um Bill Schmidt was the kind of guy

10:14 mean um Bill Schmidt was the kind of guy he says he says okay girl you're drunk

10:16 he says he says okay girl you're drunk

10:16 he says he says okay girl you're drunk to get some clean put it on the car so I

10:19 to get some clean put it on the car so I

10:19 to get some clean put it on the car so I made the clay model of of the bezel you

10:22 made the clay model of of the bezel you

10:22 made the clay model of of the bezel you know with your chamang right and then

10:24 know with your chamang right and then

10:24 know with your chamang right and then from that they make a fiberglass copy

10:26 from that they make a fiberglass copy

10:26 from that they make a fiberglass copy and then they send it to engineering so

10:27 and then they send it to engineering so

10:27 and then they send it to engineering so now you're doing drawings paintings hair

10:30 now you're doing drawings paintings hair

10:30 now you're doing drawings paintings hair brushing and Clay modeling I made a clay

10:33 brushing and Clay modeling I made a clay

10:33 brushing and Clay modeling I made a clay model of the actual part that from that

10:36 model of the actual part that from that

10:36 model of the actual part that from that model they they actually made they made

10:39 model they they actually made they made

10:39 model they they actually made they made the production bezels so the bezel would

10:41 the production bezels so the bezel would

10:41 the production bezels so the bezel would be the thing around the edge of the

10:43 be the thing around the edge of the

10:43 be the thing around the edge of the headline it's called bezel yeah and

10:44 headline it's called bezel yeah and

10:45 headline it's called bezel yeah and that's on the 55 55 Lincoln really cool

10:48 that's on the 55 55 Lincoln really cool

10:48 that's on the 55 55 Lincoln really cool looking did you get to work on the

10:49 looking did you get to work on the

10:49 looking did you get to work on the Futura the car that became the Batmobile

10:51 Futura the car that became the Batmobile

10:51 Futura the car that became the Batmobile no no no but that was but the car that

10:54 no no no but that was but the car that

10:54 no no no but that was but the car that became the Batmobile that was Bill

10:56 became the Batmobile that was Bill

10:56 became the Batmobile that was Bill Schmidt oh really the car with that you

10:59 Schmidt oh really the car with that you

10:59 Schmidt oh really the car with that you know kind of cut back look on the back

11:00 know kind of cut back look on the back

11:00 know kind of cut back look on the back and the big fins things yeah it's a bill

11:02 and the big fins things yeah it's a bill

11:02 and the big fins things yeah it's a bill Schmidt car I want and you work worth of

11:06 Schmidt car I want and you work worth of

11:06 Schmidt car I want and you work worth of the Batmobile yeah

11:08 the Batmobile yeah

11:08 the Batmobile yeah see you took this very unusual path

11:11 see you took this very unusual path

11:11 see you took this very unusual path towards becoming eventually very

11:14 towards becoming eventually very

11:14 towards becoming eventually very mechanical you are the first guy that

11:17 mechanical you are the first guy that

11:17 mechanical you are the first guy that had the questions lined up to get all

11:20 had the questions lined up to get all

11:20 had the questions lined up to get all this little detail by re-asking more and

11:22 this little detail by re-asking more and

11:22 this little detail by re-asking more and more questions so little kids

11:25 more questions so little kids

11:25 more questions so little kids pay attention you think I only designed

11:28 pay attention you think I only designed

11:28 pay attention you think I only designed the Utopia car long before wall gave me

11:31 the Utopia car long before wall gave me

11:31 the Utopia car long before wall gave me that Utopia car look at all the crazy

11:34 that Utopia car look at all the crazy

11:34 that Utopia car look at all the crazy stuff I got to do before I got started

11:37 stuff I got to do before I got started

11:37 stuff I got to do before I got started and so fast we're going to fast forward

11:39 and so fast we're going to fast forward

11:39 and so fast we're going to fast forward a little bit you get to La and your

11:42 a little bit you get to La and your

11:42 a little bit you get to La and your grandmother sadly passed away you're

11:45 grandmother sadly passed away you're

11:45 grandmother sadly passed away you're sort of bumming around I know you spent

11:46 sort of bumming around I know you spent

11:46 sort of bumming around I know you spent a lot of time in the Santa Monica pier

11:48 a lot of time in the Santa Monica pier

11:48 a lot of time in the Santa Monica pier and sort of on the beach Tiki Bob phase

11:51 and sort of on the beach Tiki Bob phase

11:51 and sort of on the beach Tiki Bob phase and what but there's more oh yes before

11:55 and what but there's more oh yes before

11:55 and what but there's more oh yes before Walt called

11:56 Walt called

11:56 Walt called which was October of 54. yeah

12:00 which was October of 54. yeah

12:00 which was October of 54. yeah I worked at the office of post

12:02 I worked at the office of post

12:02 I worked at the office of post Publications I was going to say I know

12:04 Publications I was going to say I know

12:04 Publications I was going to say I know you worked in a printer Dan Dan Post

12:06 you worked in a printer Dan Dan Post

12:06 you worked in a printer Dan Dan Post yeah he had a typewriter shop as a front

12:09 yeah he had a typewriter shop as a front

12:09 yeah he had a typewriter shop as a front but in the back was a publication office

12:12 but in the back was a publication office

12:12 but in the back was a publication office and he said hey here's a free desk no

12:15 and he said hey here's a free desk no

12:15 and he said hey here's a free desk no rent come over every day and draw

12:17 rent come over every day and draw

12:17 rent come over every day and draw something yeah uh I bummed around doing

12:20 something yeah uh I bummed around doing

12:20 something yeah uh I bummed around doing I did advertising illustration for the

12:23 I did advertising illustration for the

12:24 I did advertising illustration for the local newspapers you see and that's what

12:26 local newspapers you see and that's what

12:26 local newspapers you see and that's what I'm saying you were an illustrator and

12:27 I'm saying you were an illustrator and

12:27 I'm saying you were an illustrator and an artist a little bit of everything

12:29 an artist a little bit of everything

12:29 an artist a little bit of everything yeah uh and then came a job that came

12:33 yeah uh and then came a job that came

12:33 yeah uh and then came a job that came through the art center professor of of

12:37 through the art center professor of of

12:37 through the art center professor of of Transportation design a fellow her name

12:39 Transportation design a fellow her name

12:39 Transportation design a fellow her name is Strother McMahon he had a job that he

12:41 is Strother McMahon he had a job that he

12:41 is Strother McMahon he had a job that he didn't have time to do and it was a

12:43 didn't have time to do and it was a

12:43 didn't have time to do and it was a consultant job for Kaiser Willy's

12:46 consultant job for Kaiser Willy's

12:46 consultant job for Kaiser Willy's Company in Detroit and Mr McMahon said

12:49 Company in Detroit and Mr McMahon said

12:49 Company in Detroit and Mr McMahon said Bob you take the job like every

12:52 Bob you take the job like every

12:52 Bob you take the job like every Wednesday I sent a big pile of drawings

12:54 Wednesday I sent a big pile of drawings

12:54 Wednesday I sent a big pile of drawings to him then I go to the beach I did more

12:57 to him then I go to the beach I did more

12:57 to him then I go to the beach I did more car drawings in the tech typewriter

13:00 car drawings in the tech typewriter

13:00 car drawings in the tech typewriter office in Arcadia in 53 and 54 than I

13:05 office in Arcadia in 53 and 54 than I

13:05 office in Arcadia in 53 and 54 than I ever did in Detroit about that time

13:09 ever did in Detroit about that time

13:09 ever did in Detroit about that time and then the end of

13:12 and then the end of

13:12 and then the end of 54. the LA Times had a great big drawing

13:15 54. the LA Times had a great big drawing

13:15 54. the LA Times had a great big drawing of a new amusement park called

13:17 of a new amusement park called

13:17 of a new amusement park called Disneyland yeah and I remember it had a

13:20 Disneyland yeah and I remember it had a

13:20 Disneyland yeah and I remember it had a a big string going up with a balloon

13:23 a big string going up with a balloon

13:23 a big string going up with a balloon over the top that looked really good and

13:24 over the top that looked really good and

13:24 over the top that looked really good and I thought oh boy if they made amusement

13:26 I thought oh boy if they made amusement

13:26 I thought oh boy if they made amusement parks like that I'd go to that one were

13:28 parks like that I'd go to that one were

13:28 parks like that I'd go to that one were they doing the TV series already too

13:30 they doing the TV series already too

13:30 they doing the TV series already too describing it just a picture in the LA

13:33 describing it just a picture in the LA

13:33 describing it just a picture in the LA Times very early teasing I remember

13:36 Times very early teasing I remember

13:36 Times very early teasing I remember thinking oh I'd love to go yeah and then

13:38 thinking oh I'd love to go yeah and then

13:38 thinking oh I'd love to go yeah and then at about the same time uh the iWorks

13:42 at about the same time uh the iWorks

13:42 at about the same time uh the iWorks family was kind of old-fashioned America

13:44 family was kind of old-fashioned America

13:44 family was kind of old-fashioned America type thing in which about once a month

13:46 type thing in which about once a month

13:46 type thing in which about once a month after church you'd have the two o'clock

13:50 after church you'd have the two o'clock

13:50 after church you'd have the two o'clock family dinner so I would be occasionally

13:52 family dinner so I would be occasionally

13:52 family dinner so I would be occasionally the after church two o'clock family

13:55 the after church two o'clock family

13:55 the after church two o'clock family dinner guest yeah and what I'd like to

13:59 dinner guest yeah and what I'd like to

13:59 dinner guest yeah and what I'd like to do he liked to take pictures of current

14:02 do he liked to take pictures of current

14:02 do he liked to take pictures of current events on the studio lot at the at the

14:05 events on the studio lot at the at the

14:05 events on the studio lot at the at the Walt Disney Production Studio so uh he

14:08 Walt Disney Production Studio so uh he

14:08 Walt Disney Production Studio so uh he showed some clips of the back lot Studio

14:12 showed some clips of the back lot Studio

14:12 showed some clips of the back lot Studio and there was a a little uh kind of ugly

14:15 and there was a a little uh kind of ugly

14:15 and there was a a little uh kind of ugly looking Amusement car and Kirk Douglas

14:19 looking Amusement car and Kirk Douglas

14:19 looking Amusement car and Kirk Douglas was driving it with his two little boys

14:21 was driving it with his two little boys

14:21 was driving it with his two little boys and it had the word Disneyland painted

14:24 and it had the word Disneyland painted

14:24 and it had the word Disneyland painted on the hood of the car what'd it look

14:26 on the hood of the car what'd it look

14:26 on the hood of the car what'd it look like we're talking about or is it just

14:28 like we're talking about or is it just

14:28 like we're talking about or is it just Parts no no it's a car it's a driving

14:31 Parts no no it's a car it's a driving

14:31 Parts no no it's a car it's a driving car okay it was a popular model made in

14:33 car okay it was a popular model made in

14:33 car okay it was a popular model made in Germany oh I see and it was a guy trying

14:36 Germany oh I see and it was a guy trying

14:36 Germany oh I see and it was a guy trying to sell a bunch of them that walked in

14:38 to sell a bunch of them that walked in

14:38 to sell a bunch of them that walked in ah but there was another little chassis

14:41 ah but there was another little chassis

14:41 ah but there was another little chassis of a car that had nobody

14:43 of a car that had nobody

14:43 of a car that had nobody just a little chassis ah so uh I got the

14:49 just a little chassis ah so uh I got the

14:49 just a little chassis ah so uh I got the call a quick call say in 20 minutes go

14:52 call a quick call say in 20 minutes go

14:52 call a quick call say in 20 minutes go out to uh the Disney Studio and meet a

14:54 out to uh the Disney Studio and meet a

14:54 out to uh the Disney Studio and meet a Mr Irvine

14:56 Mr Irvine

14:56 Mr Irvine but in the meantime I had a temporary

14:57 but in the meantime I had a temporary

14:57 but in the meantime I had a temporary filling job for Channing Wallace Gilson

15:00 filling job for Channing Wallace Gilson

15:00 filling job for Channing Wallace Gilson industrial design company on Virgil

15:02 industrial design company on Virgil

15:02 industrial design company on Virgil Avenue in LA

15:03 Avenue in LA

15:03 Avenue in LA and I just walked out the door without

15:05 and I just walked out the door without

15:05 and I just walked out the door without permission I just looked at the blossom

15:07 permission I just looked at the blossom

15:07 permission I just looked at the blossom left

15:08 left

15:08 left and I went out there and on the way out

15:10 and I went out there and on the way out

15:10 and I went out there and on the way out I thought you don't figure that

15:13 I thought you don't figure that

15:13 I thought you don't figure that that Disneyland picture in the LA Times

15:16 that Disneyland picture in the LA Times

15:16 that Disneyland picture in the LA Times and UPS clipped and had the little car

15:19 and UPS clipped and had the little car

15:19 and UPS clipped and had the little car with nobody yeah but the ugly car that

15:22 with nobody yeah but the ugly car that

15:22 with nobody yeah but the ugly car that had the Disneyland name is related

15:26 had the Disneyland name is related

15:26 had the Disneyland name is related well it's a good guess went in we went

15:28 well it's a good guess went in we went

15:28 well it's a good guess went in we went out and now I saw the little chassis of

15:30 out and now I saw the little chassis of

15:30 out and now I saw the little chassis of the car and we talked about there

15:32 the car and we talked about there

15:32 the car and we talked about there they're looking for a body for it uh I

15:34 they're looking for a body for it uh I

15:34 they're looking for a body for it uh I said I'll come back Saturday with some

15:35 said I'll come back Saturday with some

15:35 said I'll come back Saturday with some sketches which I did right then the

15:38 sketches which I did right then the

15:38 sketches which I did right then the second week I came back with more

15:40 second week I came back with more

15:40 second week I came back with more sketches on a Saturday morning

15:43 sketches on a Saturday morning

15:43 sketches on a Saturday morning uh they whoever I talked to walk me out

15:46 uh they whoever I talked to walk me out

15:46 uh they whoever I talked to walk me out to the little chassis it's still sitting

15:48 to the little chassis it's still sitting

15:48 to the little chassis it's still sitting in the back lot this time there was some

15:50 in the back lot this time there was some

15:50 in the back lot this time there was some guy standing around talking about it and

15:52 guy standing around talking about it and

15:52 guy standing around talking about it and you know little wheels are about that

15:54 you know little wheels are about that

15:54 you know little wheels are about that big so you'd shoot your foot up on the

15:56 big so you'd shoot your foot up on the

15:56 big so you'd shoot your foot up on the up on the on the tire and then you'd put

16:00 up on the on the tire and then you'd put

16:00 up on the on the tire and then you'd put your elbow here and you'd agitate you

16:03 your elbow here and you'd agitate you

16:03 your elbow here and you'd agitate you know guys doing their thing sure uh what

16:05 know guys doing their thing sure uh what

16:05 know guys doing their thing sure uh what about them we had a spare tire available

16:08 about them we had a spare tire available

16:08 about them we had a spare tire available a guy walks up puts his elbow on on his

16:11 a guy walks up puts his elbow on on his

16:11 a guy walks up puts his elbow on on his knee and that guy looked kind of older

16:13 knee and that guy looked kind of older

16:13 knee and that guy looked kind of older and ratty or it hadn't shaven I remember

16:16 and ratty or it hadn't shaven I remember

16:16 and ratty or it hadn't shaven I remember he had little

16:18 he had little

16:18 he had little Roy Rogers belt with a little silver

16:20 Roy Rogers belt with a little silver

16:20 Roy Rogers belt with a little silver wooden bullets in it for night

16:22 wooden bullets in it for night

16:22 wooden bullets in it for night decorations

16:24 decorations

16:24 decorations um and when he left and walked off

16:26 um and when he left and walked off

16:26 um and when he left and walked off everybody said see you Walt

16:33 that was Walt Disney I don't know what

16:33 that was Walt Disney I don't know what he looks like I I didn't know anything

16:36 he looks like I I didn't know anything

16:36 he looks like I I didn't know anything about the Disney Company except that I I

16:38 about the Disney Company except that I I

16:38 about the Disney Company except that I I didn't like the mouse I liked the duck

16:40 didn't like the mouse I liked the duck

16:40 didn't like the mouse I liked the duck instead

16:42 instead

16:42 instead I didn't like the mouth side like the

16:44 I didn't like the mouth side like the

16:44 I didn't like the mouth side like the duck I didn't like them okay Bob the

16:47 duck I didn't like them okay Bob the

16:47 duck I didn't like them okay Bob the number one question I know you get asked

16:49 number one question I know you get asked

16:49 number one question I know you get asked all the time but I'll get asked why

16:51 all the time but I'll get asked why

16:51 all the time but I'll get asked why didn't you ask that question if I don't

16:53 didn't you ask that question if I don't

16:53 didn't you ask that question if I don't ask a version of it is what was Walt

16:55 ask a version of it is what was Walt

16:55 ask a version of it is what was Walt like I've seen everybody come and ask

16:56 like I've seen everybody come and ask

16:56 like I've seen everybody come and ask you what was Walt like so what was it

16:59 you what was Walt like so what was it

16:59 you what was Walt like so what was it like to work for Walt Disney on any

17:01 like to work for Walt Disney on any

17:01 like to work for Walt Disney on any giving working day if you had to

17:03 giving working day if you had to

17:03 giving working day if you had to interact with them the average day what

17:05 interact with them the average day what

17:05 interact with them the average day what was that like well number one you'd you

17:08 was that like well number one you'd you

17:08 was that like well number one you'd you don't work for Walt Disney you work with

17:13 don't work for Walt Disney you work with

17:13 don't work for Walt Disney you work with Walt Disney huh yes there's a big

17:16 Walt Disney huh yes there's a big

17:16 Walt Disney huh yes there's a big difference uh most of the Disney fans

17:19 difference uh most of the Disney fans

17:19 difference uh most of the Disney fans they've seen all of the

17:22 they've seen all of the

17:22 they've seen all of the black and white

17:24 black and white

17:24 black and white film over the years from the time the

17:26 film over the years from the time the

17:26 film over the years from the time the Disneyland program started in 1954 sure

17:29 Disneyland program started in 1954 sure

17:29 Disneyland program started in 1954 sure uh so there was at least 12 years I

17:32 uh so there was at least 12 years I

17:32 uh so there was at least 12 years I worked with him Wonderful World of Color

17:33 worked with him Wonderful World of Color

17:33 worked with him Wonderful World of Color yes all of that so you're very familiar

17:36 yes all of that so you're very familiar

17:36 yes all of that so you're very familiar with that but that's not what people

17:38 with that but that's not what people

17:38 with that but that's not what people really really want to know right and

17:40 really really want to know right and

17:40 really really want to know right and basically the question comes up on a

17:43 basically the question comes up on a

17:43 basically the question comes up on a working day what was it really like

17:46 working day what was it really like

17:46 working day what was it really like right because that's a character not a

17:48 right because that's a character not a

17:48 right because that's a character not a character but that's his public face is

17:51 character but that's his public face is

17:51 character but that's his public face is that character that introduces us to the

17:53 that character that introduces us to the

17:53 that character that introduces us to the movies in The Wonderful World of Color

17:54 movies in The Wonderful World of Color

17:54 movies in The Wonderful World of Color so people want to know what was he like

17:56 so people want to know what was he like

17:56 so people want to know what was he like in the hallway

17:58 in the hallway

17:58 in the hallway oh as long as you mention the hallway

18:02 oh as long as you mention the hallway

18:02 oh as long as you mention the hallway um

18:02 um

18:02 um there's a very interesting thing when

18:04 there's a very interesting thing when

18:04 there's a very interesting thing when people first meet Walt Disney uh there

18:07 people first meet Walt Disney uh there

18:07 people first meet Walt Disney uh there isn't quite taken back in a way which

18:10 isn't quite taken back in a way which

18:10 isn't quite taken back in a way which I'll I'll explain in a little bit but

18:12 I'll I'll explain in a little bit but

18:12 I'll I'll explain in a little bit but let's say you're in the animation

18:13 let's say you're in the animation

18:13 let's say you're in the animation building and you're a new employee

18:15 building and you're a new employee

18:15 building and you're a new employee and you find yourself walking down the

18:17 and you find yourself walking down the

18:17 and you find yourself walking down the hall and there's nobody else around

18:19 hall and there's nobody else around

18:19 hall and there's nobody else around except oh it's Mr Disney coming your way

18:22 except oh it's Mr Disney coming your way

18:23 except oh it's Mr Disney coming your way what are you going to do

18:26 what are you going to do

18:26 what are you going to do run

18:28 run

18:28 run that's what happened spike said right

18:30 that's what happened spike said right

18:30 that's what happened spike said right run yeah people people will do one or

18:33 run yeah people people will do one or

18:33 run yeah people people will do one or two things

18:34 two things

18:34 two things as they pass by uh they won't say

18:38 as they pass by uh they won't say

18:38 as they pass by uh they won't say anything or

18:40 anything or

18:40 anything or when they do say something they'll say

18:42 when they do say something they'll say

18:42 when they do say something they'll say good morning Mr Disney sure and if you

18:45 good morning Mr Disney sure and if you

18:45 good morning Mr Disney sure and if you say good morning Mr Disney he waits

18:47 say good morning Mr Disney he waits

18:47 say good morning Mr Disney he waits about one second whirls around and

18:50 about one second whirls around and

18:50 about one second whirls around and points at you and says what's your name

18:54 points at you and says what's your name

18:54 points at you and says what's your name your startup and he says Point series

18:58 your startup and he says Point series

18:58 your startup and he says Point series well my name's Walt uh what's your name

19:01 well my name's Walt uh what's your name

19:01 well my name's Walt uh what's your name you have the name uh don't ever forget

19:05 you have the name uh don't ever forget

19:05 you have the name uh don't ever forget it

19:06 it

19:06 it and so that was to don't call me mister

19:08 and so that was to don't call me mister

19:09 and so that was to don't call me mister yeah introduction and then if you walk

19:11 yeah introduction and then if you walk

19:11 yeah introduction and then if you walk by and didn't say anything he whirls

19:13 by and didn't say anything he whirls

19:13 by and didn't say anything he whirls around and says what's the matter aren't

19:15 around and says what's the matter aren't

19:15 around and says what's the matter aren't we talking I like that but see I'd be

19:18 we talking I like that but see I'd be

19:18 we talking I like that but see I'd be scared because the I I would think

19:20 scared because the I I would think

19:20 scared because the I I would think because it's a well-known thing when

19:21 because it's a well-known thing when

19:21 because it's a well-known thing when people got there oh you're supposed to

19:23 people got there oh you're supposed to

19:23 people got there oh you're supposed to call them wall I'd be nervous because

19:24 call them wall I'd be nervous because

19:24 call them wall I'd be nervous because what if you said hi a Walt and he

19:27 what if you said hi a Walt and he

19:27 what if you said hi a Walt and he wheeled around and said who the you know

19:29 wheeled around and said who the you know

19:29 wheeled around and said who the you know no but that that that's what happens a

19:31 no but that that that's what happens a

19:31 no but that that that's what happens a lot of people on their first meeting

19:33 lot of people on their first meeting

19:33 lot of people on their first meeting they don't know what to do sure and the

19:36 they don't know what to do sure and the

19:36 they don't know what to do sure and the worst one is if you're alone in a

19:38 worst one is if you're alone in a

19:38 worst one is if you're alone in a hallway and there's no place to hide and

19:41 hallway and there's no place to hide and

19:41 hallway and there's no place to hide and you're going to pass it yeah all right I

19:43 you're going to pass it yeah all right I

19:43 you're going to pass it yeah all right I imagine or in the laboratory yeah it's

19:46 imagine or in the laboratory yeah it's

19:46 imagine or in the laboratory yeah it's uh no oddly enough

19:49 uh no oddly enough

19:49 uh no oddly enough well he had his own bathroom in his

19:51 well he had his own bathroom in his

19:51 well he had his own bathroom in his office I imagine yeah but he popped into

19:53 office I imagine yeah but he popped into

19:53 office I imagine yeah but he popped into any restroom anywhere on the lot oh boy

19:55 any restroom anywhere on the lot oh boy

19:55 any restroom anywhere on the lot oh boy oh

19:57 oh

19:57 oh basically when he walked into a restroom

20:01 basically when he walked into a restroom

20:01 basically when he walked into a restroom uh he paid no attention to anybody

20:03 uh he paid no attention to anybody

20:03 uh he paid no attention to anybody that's in there and anybody in there

20:05 that's in there and anybody in there

20:05 that's in there and anybody in there paid no attention to him well I hope not

20:07 paid no attention to him well I hope not

20:07 paid no attention to him well I hope not and the only the only thing was

20:10 and the only the only thing was

20:10 and the only the only thing was you never saw him wash his hands uh-oh

20:13 you never saw him wash his hands uh-oh

20:13 you never saw him wash his hands uh-oh yeah so that's that's when we're getting

20:16 yeah so that's that's when we're getting

20:16 yeah so that's that's when we're getting into what he's like sure which a lot of

20:19 into what he's like sure which a lot of

20:19 into what he's like sure which a lot of common workers don't do that either

20:20 common workers don't do that either

20:20 common workers don't do that either they're busy there are a lot of times

20:22 they're busy there are a lot of times

20:22 they're busy there are a lot of times this is on the back a lot sure out in

20:25 this is on the back a lot sure out in

20:25 this is on the back a lot sure out in the back a lot you know guys you guys

20:26 the back a lot you know guys you guys

20:27 the back a lot you know guys you guys are busy they're building sets and stuff

20:29 are busy they're building sets and stuff

20:29 are busy they're building sets and stuff yeah but that's the answer when when

20:31 yeah but that's the answer when when

20:31 yeah but that's the answer when when he's in a restroom situation sure now

20:34 he's in a restroom situation sure now

20:34 he's in a restroom situation sure now when you're in a situation where there's

20:36 when you're in a situation where there's

20:36 when you're in a situation where there's more people involved and you walk in a

20:38 more people involved and you walk in a

20:38 more people involved and you walk in a room or you're in a room and he walks in

20:40 room or you're in a room and he walks in

20:40 room or you're in a room and he walks in yeah and you've never seen him never

20:42 yeah and you've never seen him never

20:42 yeah and you've never seen him never talk to him

20:43 talk to him

20:43 talk to him you have a slightly better chance

20:45 you have a slightly better chance

20:45 you have a slightly better chance because other people will speak to him

20:47 because other people will speak to him

20:47 because other people will speak to him more or or he will speak to the other

20:50 more or or he will speak to the other

20:50 more or or he will speak to the other people more

20:52 people more

20:52 people more and then sometimes in the case of where

20:55 and then sometimes in the case of where

20:55 and then sometimes in the case of where he's talking to different people about

20:57 he's talking to different people about

20:57 he's talking to different people about doing different things

20:59 doing different things

20:59 doing different things he would sometimes forget your name

21:01 he would sometimes forget your name

21:01 he would sometimes forget your name and then he was always very free with

21:04 and then he was always very free with

21:04 and then he was always very free with say I'd like to you know Justin I'd like

21:07 say I'd like to you know Justin I'd like

21:07 say I'd like to you know Justin I'd like to have you join up with uh well what's

21:10 to have you join up with uh well what's

21:10 to have you join up with uh well what's his name here and go go work on that

21:13 his name here and go go work on that

21:13 his name here and go go work on that though roley Crump was one that got a

21:15 though roley Crump was one that got a

21:15 though roley Crump was one that got a lot of what's his name all the time yeah

21:18 lot of what's his name all the time yeah

21:18 lot of what's his name all the time yeah and then several times uh Walt would

21:20 and then several times uh Walt would

21:20 and then several times uh Walt would give you a name that you didn't like

21:23 give you a name that you didn't like

21:23 give you a name that you didn't like because he'd just do it anyway right uh

21:26 because he'd just do it anyway right uh

21:26 because he'd just do it anyway right uh in the case of rolling uh

21:28 in the case of rolling uh

21:28 in the case of rolling uh rolling Crump uh rolly would tell me the

21:32 rolling Crump uh rolly would tell me the

21:32 rolling Crump uh rolly would tell me the different names over a time that Walt

21:34 different names over a time that Walt

21:34 different names over a time that Walt would gradually change using on him so

21:38 would gradually change using on him so

21:38 would gradually change using on him so it was used to now in my case very early

21:40 it was used to now in my case very early

21:40 it was used to now in my case very early on he started calling me Bobby

21:43 on he started calling me Bobby

21:43 on he started calling me Bobby now I don't like the word Bobby because

21:45 now I don't like the word Bobby because

21:45 now I don't like the word Bobby because it's like a little kid right little kid

21:47 it's like a little kid right little kid

21:47 it's like a little kid right little kid I never could cure him of uh because

21:50 I never could cure him of uh because

21:50 I never could cure him of uh because there's no way to tell him that that's

21:52 there's no way to tell him that that's

21:52 there's no way to tell him that that's why whenever I'm harassing you I'll say

21:54 why whenever I'm harassing you I'll say

21:54 why whenever I'm harassing you I'll say Bobby Bobby how you doing Bobby well I

21:57 Bobby Bobby how you doing Bobby well I

21:57 Bobby Bobby how you doing Bobby well I know you don't like it you know the last

21:58 know you don't like it you know the last

21:58 know you don't like it you know the last the last Razz I got like that was in The

22:02 the last Razz I got like that was in The

22:02 the last Razz I got like that was in The Green Room for the Disney Legends the

22:04 Green Room for the Disney Legends the

22:04 Green Room for the Disney Legends the last time we had it oh Bob Iger walks in

22:07 last time we had it oh Bob Iger walks in

22:07 last time we had it oh Bob Iger walks in and he walks right by me and he says hi

22:09 and he walks right by me and he says hi

22:09 and he walks right by me and he says hi Bobby and I just thought huh he's not

22:13 Bobby and I just thought huh he's not

22:13 Bobby and I just thought huh he's not even letting me forget that name either

22:14 even letting me forget that name either

22:14 even letting me forget that name either I'm sure a lot of people have talked

22:16 I'm sure a lot of people have talked

22:16 I'm sure a lot of people have talked about Walt at the studio but I just

22:20 about Walt at the studio but I just

22:20 about Walt at the studio but I just realized that you had occasion to travel

22:21 realized that you had occasion to travel

22:21 realized that you had occasion to travel with them for different stuff you were

22:23 with them for different stuff you were

22:23 with them for different stuff you were telling me one time that there was a

22:24 telling me one time that there was a

22:24 telling me one time that there was a court case in Chicago you had to go to

22:27 court case in Chicago you had to go to

22:27 court case in Chicago you had to go to and there was the other times flying

22:28 and there was the other times flying

22:28 and there was the other times flying around in the world not not traveling

22:30 around in the world not not traveling

22:30 around in the world not not traveling with him in those events but uh the main

22:33 with him in those events but uh the main

22:33 with him in those events but uh the main one was uh in January of 1966 he was

22:38 one was uh in January of 1966 he was

22:38 one was uh in January of 1966 he was trying to sell Epcot right a lot of

22:41 trying to sell Epcot right a lot of

22:41 trying to sell Epcot right a lot of Corporations and he gathered up I guess

22:43 Corporations and he gathered up I guess

22:43 Corporations and he gathered up I guess about 11 or 12 of us and and the company

22:46 about 11 or 12 of us and and the company

22:46 about 11 or 12 of us and and the company playing uh on a Sunday to fly to uh

22:50 playing uh on a Sunday to fly to uh

22:50 playing uh on a Sunday to fly to uh Pittsburgh

22:51 Pittsburgh

22:51 Pittsburgh to talk to uh Westinghouse corporation

22:54 to talk to uh Westinghouse corporation

22:54 to talk to uh Westinghouse corporation uh about several things we were we had

22:57 uh about several things we were we had

22:57 uh about several things we were we had three things on the agenda uh he wanted

23:00 three things on the agenda uh he wanted

23:00 three things on the agenda uh he wanted them to understand what Epcot was like

23:04 them to understand what Epcot was like

23:04 them to understand what Epcot was like they uh wanted to show him the first

23:07 they uh wanted to show him the first

23:07 they uh wanted to show him the first laser he'd ever seen wow yeah in 19

23:10 laser he'd ever seen wow yeah in 19

23:10 laser he'd ever seen wow yeah in 19 January 66 wow and then my boss Roger

23:14 January 66 wow and then my boss Roger

23:14 January 66 wow and then my boss Roger and I were there to ask a Westinghouse

23:17 and I were there to ask a Westinghouse

23:17 and I were there to ask a Westinghouse uh officially to bid on the up an

23:21 uh officially to bid on the up an

23:21 uh officially to bid on the up an upgraded monorail electrical system okay

23:24 upgraded monorail electrical system okay

23:24 upgraded monorail electrical system okay so yeah when we do a trip like that we

23:26 so yeah when we do a trip like that we

23:26 so yeah when we do a trip like that we really have bigger package deal yeah oh

23:28 really have bigger package deal yeah oh

23:28 really have bigger package deal yeah oh yeah because it's a two-day event yeah

23:29 yeah because it's a two-day event yeah

23:29 yeah because it's a two-day event yeah you know that we're going to be with him

23:32 you know that we're going to be with him

23:32 you know that we're going to be with him um same time on that same trip we had to

23:35 um same time on that same trip we had to

23:35 um same time on that same trip we had to go to Erie Pennsylvania to talk to

23:37 go to Erie Pennsylvania to talk to

23:37 go to Erie Pennsylvania to talk to General Electric

23:39 General Electric

23:39 General Electric so getting a chance to watch Walt

23:41 so getting a chance to watch Walt

23:41 so getting a chance to watch Walt attempt I say

23:43 attempt I say

23:43 attempt I say politically correctly attempt to sell

23:46 politically correctly attempt to sell

23:46 politically correctly attempt to sell Epcot to the chief Executives chairman

23:50 Epcot to the chief Executives chairman

23:50 Epcot to the chief Executives chairman of the board of these big companies yeah

23:52 of the board of these big companies yeah

23:52 of the board of these big companies yeah and watching how their their puzzled

23:55 and watching how their their puzzled

23:55 and watching how their their puzzled they don't quite

23:57 they don't quite

23:57 they don't quite get that yeah because this is above and

23:59 get that yeah because this is above and

23:59 get that yeah because this is above and beyond an amusement park this is a whole

24:01 beyond an amusement park this is a whole

24:01 beyond an amusement park this is a whole we're talking about the experimental

24:02 we're talking about the experimental

24:02 we're talking about the experimental prototype community of tomorrow right so

24:06 prototype community of tomorrow right so

24:06 prototype community of tomorrow right so consider that a working day get off the

24:08 consider that a working day get off the

24:08 consider that a working day get off the airplane and we go to the hotel and we

24:10 airplane and we go to the hotel and we

24:10 airplane and we go to the hotel and we go in the next morning we go to talk to

24:12 go in the next morning we go to talk to

24:12 go in the next morning we go to talk to uh Westinghouse at their facility this

24:15 uh Westinghouse at their facility this

24:15 uh Westinghouse at their facility this is all on that plane they're hauling to

24:17 is all on that plane they're hauling to

24:17 is all on that plane they're hauling to d23 yes that's it we call it the mouse

24:21 d23 yes that's it we call it the mouse

24:21 d23 yes that's it we call it the mouse and uh it's refurbed repainted back to

24:25 and uh it's refurbed repainted back to

24:25 and uh it's refurbed repainted back to the colors and then you just take it

24:27 the colors and then you just take it

24:27 the colors and then you just take it apart move it on track and put it

24:29 apart move it on track and put it

24:29 apart move it on track and put it together it's gonna be something to see

24:30 together it's gonna be something to see

24:30 together it's gonna be something to see my dear old mouse in the sports arena at

24:35 my dear old mouse in the sports arena at

24:35 my dear old mouse in the sports arena at the convention that's going to be an

24:37 the convention that's going to be an

24:37 the convention that's going to be an airplane's going to look so little

24:39 airplane's going to look so little

24:39 airplane's going to look so little but that's quite a gesture for the

24:42 but that's quite a gesture for the

24:42 but that's quite a gesture for the company to

24:44 company to

24:44 company to spend that kind of money that kind of

24:46 spend that kind of money that kind of

24:46 spend that kind of money that kind of effort to be part of d23 part of

24:49 effort to be part of d23 part of

24:49 effort to be part of d23 part of archives yeah yeah because

24:52 archives yeah yeah because

24:52 archives yeah yeah because the airplane has a most interesting

24:55 the airplane has a most interesting

24:55 the airplane has a most interesting story the latest d23 magazine I don't

24:57 story the latest d23 magazine I don't

24:57 story the latest d23 magazine I don't know if you've seen it yet not yet has a

24:59 know if you've seen it yet not yet has a

24:59 know if you've seen it yet not yet has a beautiful multi-page story about the

25:02 beautiful multi-page story about the

25:02 beautiful multi-page story about the plane yes which they asked me to please

25:04 plane yes which they asked me to please

25:04 plane yes which they asked me to please correct part of the story because there

25:06 correct part of the story because there

25:06 correct part of the story because there was some inaccuracy sure because they

25:08 was some inaccuracy sure because they

25:08 was some inaccuracy sure because they they knew that I flew in the plant a lot

25:10 they knew that I flew in the plant a lot

25:10 they knew that I flew in the plant a lot yeah well you flew in the plane a lot

25:12 yeah well you flew in the plane a lot

25:12 yeah well you flew in the plane a lot and sometimes with a wall yes so that's

25:14 and sometimes with a wall yes so that's

25:15 and sometimes with a wall yes so that's extra Insight was he a person if you

25:18 extra Insight was he a person if you

25:18 extra Insight was he a person if you were on a trip like that there are there

25:20 were on a trip like that there are there

25:20 were on a trip like that there are there are people who once they're out of the

25:21 are people who once they're out of the

25:21 are people who once they're out of the meeting well okay well I'm gonna undo

25:23 meeting well okay well I'm gonna undo

25:23 meeting well okay well I'm gonna undo the tie and now I'm gonna be very casual

25:25 the tie and now I'm gonna be very casual

25:25 the tie and now I'm gonna be very casual with you or was he buttoned up all the

25:28 with you or was he buttoned up all the

25:28 with you or was he buttoned up all the time no no no no no no no he had a way

25:31 time no no no no no no no he had a way

25:31 time no no no no no no no he had a way of um trying to look approachable

25:35 of um trying to look approachable

25:35 of um trying to look approachable and I saw this several times like in the

25:38 and I saw this several times like in the

25:38 and I saw this several times like in the winter time like when we were there he

25:41 winter time like when we were there he

25:41 winter time like when we were there he wears a kind of a little wrinkled pork

25:43 wears a kind of a little wrinkled pork

25:43 wears a kind of a little wrinkled pork pie type of a hat and he wadded up and

25:46 pie type of a hat and he wadded up and

25:46 pie type of a hat and he wadded up and put it in an Overcoat and when he'd uh

25:49 put it in an Overcoat and when he'd uh

25:49 put it in an Overcoat and when he'd uh step outside you know we're gonna get in

25:51 step outside you know we're gonna get in

25:51 step outside you know we're gonna get in the car and go someplace yeah he'd pull

25:53 the car and go someplace yeah he'd pull

25:53 the car and go someplace yeah he'd pull this little hat out and slap it on his

25:56 this little hat out and slap it on his

25:56 this little hat out and slap it on his head and not readjust it it just it just

25:58 head and not readjust it it just it just

25:58 head and not readjust it it just it just lit where it lit

26:01 lit where it lit

26:01 lit where it lit um

26:02 um you know not

26:04 you know not

26:04 you know not not thoughtfully done right at the same

26:07 not thoughtfully done right at the same

26:07 not thoughtfully done right at the same time I want to get in a meeting

26:09 time I want to get in a meeting

26:09 time I want to get in a meeting sometimes he kind of loosens his tie a

26:12 sometimes he kind of loosens his tie a

26:12 sometimes he kind of loosens his tie a little bit kind of I like well look a

26:14 little bit kind of I like well look a

26:14 little bit kind of I like well look a little bit ratty in a way yeah which

26:16 little bit ratty in a way yeah which

26:16 little bit ratty in a way yeah which meant he doesn't look like a Brooks

26:18 meant he doesn't look like a Brooks

26:18 meant he doesn't look like a Brooks Brothers ad yeah let's get down to work

26:21 Brothers ad yeah let's get down to work

26:21 Brothers ad yeah let's get down to work well no he would say that to people

26:23 well no he would say that to people

26:23 well no he would say that to people sometimes or where it was obvious some

26:26 sometimes or where it was obvious some

26:26 sometimes or where it was obvious some people who had just met him and they

26:29 people who had just met him and they

26:29 people who had just met him and they were uh they have this nervousness yeah

26:31 were uh they have this nervousness yeah

26:31 were uh they have this nervousness yeah which which I saw up close he tried to

26:35 which which I saw up close he tried to

26:35 which which I saw up close he tried to disarm the nervousness because he'd say

26:38 disarm the nervousness because he'd say

26:38 disarm the nervousness because he'd say uh you know when somebody says I'm so

26:40 uh you know when somebody says I'm so

26:40 uh you know when somebody says I'm so pleased to meet you Mr Disney I I can't

26:42 pleased to meet you Mr Disney I I can't

26:42 pleased to meet you Mr Disney I I can't believe you're in our company here I was

26:44 believe you're in our company here I was

26:44 believe you're in our company here I was going to ask you about that yeah and

26:46 going to ask you about that yeah and

26:46 going to ask you about that yeah and then he'd say well

26:48 then he'd say well

26:48 then he'd say well it's all right we we have to talk you

26:50 it's all right we we have to talk you

26:50 it's all right we we have to talk you know we're going to do these projects

26:52 know we're going to do these projects

26:52 know we're going to do these projects we're talking in the late 60s by then

26:55 we're talking in the late 60s by then

26:55 we're talking in the late 60s by then Mickey Mouse has been around for 35

26:57 Mickey Mouse has been around for 35

26:57 Mickey Mouse has been around for 35 years there are probably people who are

26:59 years there are probably people who are

26:59 years there are probably people who are in management positions who grew up with

27:01 in management positions who grew up with

27:01 in management positions who grew up with Walt Disney's cartoons yeah and things

27:04 Walt Disney's cartoons yeah and things

27:04 Walt Disney's cartoons yeah and things like that so back then was he if you

27:07 like that so back then was he if you

27:07 like that so back then was he if you were alive now he'd have fawning adoring

27:10 were alive now he'd have fawning adoring

27:10 were alive now he'd have fawning adoring fans all over him Walt you know my

27:12 fans all over him Walt you know my

27:12 fans all over him Walt you know my childhood thank you did you did he have

27:15 childhood thank you did you did he have

27:15 childhood thank you did you did he have that kind of a thing then or was it more

27:17 that kind of a thing then or was it more

27:17 that kind of a thing then or was it more subdued you think back then it was

27:19 subdued you think back then it was

27:19 subdued you think back then it was subdued it was not fans like Fanboy

27:22 subdued it was not fans like Fanboy

27:22 subdued it was not fans like Fanboy Executives yeah it was Executives that

27:25 Executives yeah it was Executives that

27:25 Executives yeah it was Executives that were in some cases meeting Walt for the

27:27 were in some cases meeting Walt for the

27:27 were in some cases meeting Walt for the first time uh particularly in

27:30 first time uh particularly in

27:30 first time uh particularly in Westinghouse for our first morning Epcot

27:33 Westinghouse for our first morning Epcot

27:33 Westinghouse for our first morning Epcot meeting uh the was Don Burnham the

27:37 meeting uh the was Don Burnham the

27:37 meeting uh the was Don Burnham the chairman of the board of Westinghouse I

27:39 chairman of the board of Westinghouse I

27:39 chairman of the board of Westinghouse I mean he looked nervous to Walt Disney he

27:41 mean he looked nervous to Walt Disney he

27:41 mean he looked nervous to Walt Disney he was nervous the Westinghouse is an

27:43 was nervous the Westinghouse is an

27:43 was nervous the Westinghouse is an awfully big company yeah yeah and

27:47 awfully big company yeah yeah and

27:47 awfully big company yeah yeah and powerful and and I noticed that first in

27:49 powerful and and I noticed that first in

27:49 powerful and and I noticed that first in the in the course of the morning meeting

27:51 the in the course of the morning meeting

27:51 the in the course of the morning meeting and we had an afternoon meet eating and

27:53 and we had an afternoon meet eating and

27:53 and we had an afternoon meet eating and then we when we went back to a cocktail

27:56 then we when we went back to a cocktail

27:56 then we when we went back to a cocktail bar up on a hill before we went to

27:57 bar up on a hill before we went to

27:57 bar up on a hill before we went to dinner

27:58 dinner

27:58 dinner the cocktail bar was a little too small

28:01 the cocktail bar was a little too small

28:01 the cocktail bar was a little too small it was a Scenic old historic place up on

28:03 it was a Scenic old historic place up on

28:03 it was a Scenic old historic place up on a above the Monongahela River Yeah by

28:06 a above the Monongahela River Yeah by

28:06 a above the Monongahela River Yeah by Pittsburgh and we're a little bit too

28:09 Pittsburgh and we're a little bit too

28:09 Pittsburgh and we're a little bit too close now you know when people get close

28:10 close now you know when people get close

28:10 close now you know when people get close they don't know each other

28:12 they don't know each other

28:12 they don't know each other there's a space

28:14 there's a space

28:14 there's a space where you start yeah that's making you

28:17 where you start yeah that's making you

28:17 where you start yeah that's making you nervous and then when it's like right a

28:20 nervous and then when it's like right a

28:20 nervous and then when it's like right a foot nose to nose and you're holding

28:22 foot nose to nose and you're holding

28:22 foot nose to nose and you're holding cocktails and everybody's

28:25 cocktails and everybody's

28:25 cocktails and everybody's around you is loose and I watched Don

28:31 around you is loose and I watched Don

28:31 around you is loose and I watched Don Burnham one he'd ask all the questions

28:33 Burnham one he'd ask all the questions

28:33 Burnham one he'd ask all the questions why don't you talk to him you know how

28:35 why don't you talk to him you know how

28:35 why don't you talk to him you know how people get they get scared when they go

28:37 people get they get scared when they go

28:37 people get they get scared when they go they go to the boys vice president or

28:39 they go to the boys vice president or

28:39 they go to the boys vice president or lip starts to quiver me

28:41 lip starts to quiver me

28:41 lip starts to quiver me and I'm sitting there I'm yeah I'm in

28:43 and I'm sitting there I'm yeah I'm in

28:43 and I'm sitting there I'm yeah I'm in the conversation with the with the two

28:45 the conversation with the with the two

28:45 the conversation with the with the two guys and I'm watching Don's Burnham's

28:48 guys and I'm watching Don's Burnham's

28:48 guys and I'm watching Don's Burnham's lower lip going that's so interesting so

28:51 lower lip going that's so interesting so

28:51 lower lip going that's so interesting so he already had a sort of

28:53 he already had a sort of

28:54 he already had a sort of and that I can't it's not because Disney

28:55 and that I can't it's not because Disney

28:55 and that I can't it's not because Disney was a more powerful company than

28:56 was a more powerful company than

28:57 was a more powerful company than Westinghouse obviously that is something

28:58 Westinghouse obviously that is something

28:58 Westinghouse obviously that is something to do with his personal sort of Legend

29:00 to do with his personal sort of Legend

29:00 to do with his personal sort of Legend even then yeah I think

29:03 even then yeah I think

29:03 even then yeah I think um the situation most people were in who

29:06 um the situation most people were in who

29:06 um the situation most people were in who had not met him and not personally

29:08 had not met him and not personally

29:08 had not met him and not personally interacted with him on one hand uh

29:12 interacted with him on one hand uh

29:12 interacted with him on one hand uh foreign

29:13 foreign

29:13 foreign they knew they were in the presence of

29:15 they knew they were in the presence of

29:15 they knew they were in the presence of some kind of a god some kind of

29:17 some kind of a god some kind of

29:17 some kind of a god some kind of greatness yeah there's a greatness yeah

29:19 greatness yeah there's a greatness yeah

29:19 greatness yeah there's a greatness yeah a greatness but on the other hand they

29:22 a greatness but on the other hand they

29:22 a greatness but on the other hand they knew they had they're there to

29:24 knew they had they're there to

29:24 knew they had they're there to discussion yes yeah so that is sort of a

29:28 discussion yes yeah so that is sort of a

29:28 discussion yes yeah so that is sort of a a jump a person has to get past yeah and

29:31 a jump a person has to get past yeah and

29:31 a jump a person has to get past yeah and I think Walt tried a lot to get people

29:34 I think Walt tried a lot to get people

29:34 I think Walt tried a lot to get people to calm down a little bit to you know

29:37 to calm down a little bit to you know

29:37 to calm down a little bit to you know the old we gotta we got a talk thing uh

29:40 the old we gotta we got a talk thing uh

29:40 the old we gotta we got a talk thing uh but I noticed a minute that that little

29:42 but I noticed a minute that that little

29:42 but I noticed a minute that that little ice is broken it's it's broken forever

29:45 ice is broken it's it's broken forever

29:45 ice is broken it's it's broken forever now it's okay so he didn't want fawning

29:48 now it's okay so he didn't want fawning

29:48 now it's okay so he didn't want fawning adoration he was let's get down to

29:50 adoration he was let's get down to

29:50 adoration he was let's get down to business and be no he didn't no he

29:51 business and be no he didn't no he

29:51 business and be no he didn't no he didn't he didn't like the phony yeah but

29:53 didn't he didn't like the phony yeah but

29:53 didn't he didn't like the phony yeah but people that I know that he knew you know

29:56 people that I know that he knew you know

29:56 people that I know that he knew you know like Wilton Beckett the architecture

29:58 like Wilton Beckett the architecture

29:58 like Wilton Beckett the architecture from Over the studio one day because

29:59 from Over the studio one day because

29:59 from Over the studio one day because we're talking about the World's Fair and

30:02 we're talking about the World's Fair and

30:02 we're talking about the World's Fair and uh we're looking at a model and and I

30:04 uh we're looking at a model and and I

30:04 uh we're looking at a model and and I just happened to be to do with the model

30:06 just happened to be to do with the model

30:06 just happened to be to do with the model there and he immediately introduces me

30:09 there and he immediately introduces me

30:09 there and he immediately introduces me to Welton Beckett who's gonna design a

30:12 to Welton Beckett who's gonna design a

30:12 to Welton Beckett who's gonna design a lot of the things in the fair player and

30:14 lot of the things in the fair player and

30:14 lot of the things in the fair player and Becca and Walt were just like on exactly

30:16 Becca and Walt were just like on exactly

30:16 Becca and Walt were just like on exactly the same level they were just smooth and

30:18 the same level they were just smooth and

30:18 the same level they were just smooth and easy did you ever feel like it you got

30:20 easy did you ever feel like it you got

30:20 easy did you ever feel like it you got friendly with him you spent so much time

30:22 friendly with him you spent so much time

30:22 friendly with him you spent so much time with them ah this is I'm glad you asked

30:25 with them ah this is I'm glad you asked

30:25 with them ah this is I'm glad you asked that question yeah

30:26 that question yeah

30:26 that question yeah well

30:28 well

30:28 well let's say for somebody who never met him

30:30 let's say for somebody who never met him

30:30 let's say for somebody who never met him you have this quiver lip god-like

30:33 you have this quiver lip god-like

30:33 you have this quiver lip god-like distance right because it was too close

30:35 distance right because it was too close

30:35 distance right because it was too close then you got used to it then you could

30:37 then you got used to it then you could

30:37 then you got used to it then you could talk to him

30:39 talk to him but you never became a pal

30:43 but you never became a pal

30:43 but you never became a pal that's interesting very sensitive thing

30:45 that's interesting very sensitive thing

30:45 that's interesting very sensitive thing because you can work with Walt every day

30:48 because you can work with Walt every day

30:48 because you can work with Walt every day but

30:49 but

30:49 but it stops at some point and you're not a

30:52 it stops at some point and you're not a

30:52 it stops at some point and you're not a pal

30:54 pal

30:54 pal that's a very sensitive thing because a

30:56 that's a very sensitive thing because a

30:56 that's a very sensitive thing because a lot of times an employee

30:58 lot of times an employee

30:58 lot of times an employee will become quite enamored with his boss

31:01 will become quite enamored with his boss

31:01 will become quite enamored with his boss yeah and will subconsciously try to make

31:05 yeah and will subconsciously try to make

31:05 yeah and will subconsciously try to make good points in his presence right Walt

31:09 good points in his presence right Walt

31:09 good points in his presence right Walt was so sensitive that that would back

31:11 was so sensitive that that would back

31:11 was so sensitive that that would back him off

31:12 him off

31:12 him off um did you always work at the studio or

31:14 um did you always work at the studio or

31:14 um did you always work at the studio or when did you end up moving buildings to

31:17 when did you end up moving buildings to

31:17 when did you end up moving buildings to work at imagineering because I know when

31:19 work at imagineering because I know when

31:19 work at imagineering because I know when you went to for the Utopia car and you

31:21 you went to for the Utopia car and you

31:21 you went to for the Utopia car and you first began to build Disneyland with all

31:24 first began to build Disneyland with all

31:24 first began to build Disneyland with all these guys and build all these products

31:25 these guys and build all these products

31:25 these guys and build all these products you were working at the Burbank Studio

31:27 you were working at the Burbank Studio

31:27 you were working at the Burbank Studio Lot that's correct yeah so you're

31:30 Lot that's correct yeah so you're

31:30 Lot that's correct yeah so you're talking about in The Sound stages are we

31:32 talking about in The Sound stages are we

31:32 talking about in The Sound stages are we talking about

31:33 talking about

31:33 talking about all that how describe to me how it was

31:36 all that how describe to me how it was

31:36 all that how describe to me how it was when you first joined the circus okay

31:38 when you first joined the circus okay

31:38 when you first joined the circus okay this is very very funny

31:40 this is very very funny

31:40 this is very very funny the Disney Studio was

31:43 the Disney Studio was

31:43 the Disney Studio was a separate company yeah

31:46 a separate company yeah

31:46 a separate company yeah Walt's brother older brother was not in

31:49 Walt's brother older brother was not in

31:49 Walt's brother older brother was not in favor of spending any company money to

31:52 favor of spending any company money to

31:52 favor of spending any company money to build Walt's crazy little park because

31:55 build Walt's crazy little park because

31:55 build Walt's crazy little park because it was going to be across the street

31:56 it was going to be across the street

31:56 it was going to be across the street next to the LA River right the Mickey

31:58 next to the LA River right the Mickey

31:58 next to the LA River right the Mickey Mouse Park yeah a little part of so Walt

32:02 Mouse Park yeah a little part of so Walt

32:02 Mouse Park yeah a little part of so Walt basically said well I'll make my own

32:05 basically said well I'll make my own

32:05 basically said well I'll make my own company and I'll assign some people to

32:07 company and I'll assign some people to

32:07 company and I'll assign some people to it

32:08 it okay

32:10 okay

32:10 okay so until the uh

32:12 so until the uh

32:12 so until the uh August 16th of 1961

32:16 August 16th of 1961

32:16 August 16th of 1961 wed Enterprise Walter Elias Disney was

32:20 wed Enterprise Walter Elias Disney was

32:20 wed Enterprise Walter Elias Disney was in the studio property scattered

32:23 in the studio property scattered

32:23 in the studio property scattered everywhere it was not an organized

32:27 everywhere it was not an organized

32:27 everywhere it was not an organized company that you could see on many of

32:30 company that you could see on many of

32:30 company that you could see on many of the early

32:31 the early

32:31 the early imagineers that people pull were pulled

32:34 imagineers that people pull were pulled

32:34 imagineers that people pull were pulled from the studio right so yourself you

32:36 from the studio right so yourself you

32:36 from the studio right so yourself you came from outside but where other people

32:38 came from outside but where other people

32:38 came from outside but where other people pulled directly out of animation and

32:40 pulled directly out of animation and

32:40 pulled directly out of animation and into what create this part for me well

32:43 into what create this part for me well

32:43 into what create this part for me well and uh by the end of 1954 uh wall had

32:47 and uh by the end of 1954 uh wall had

32:47 and uh by the end of 1954 uh wall had reassigned 11 animators and designers

32:50 reassigned 11 animators and designers

32:50 reassigned 11 animators and designers and drafts people to his private company

32:54 and drafts people to his private company

32:54 and drafts people to his private company web right that's his private company

32:56 web right that's his private company

32:56 web right that's his private company he's getting

32:58 he's getting

32:58 he's getting Roy to say it's okay that these people

33:00 Roy to say it's okay that these people

33:00 Roy to say it's okay that these people could be here do work

33:02 could be here do work

33:03 could be here do work for weddings the wedge company

33:06 for weddings the wedge company

33:06 for weddings the wedge company um and at the same time there were seven

33:08 um and at the same time there were seven

33:08 um and at the same time there were seven people that were pulled in from what you

33:10 people that were pulled in from what you

33:10 people that were pulled in from what you what we call the outside yeah and these

33:13 what we call the outside yeah and these

33:13 what we call the outside yeah and these were specific People's First specific

33:15 were specific People's First specific

33:15 were specific People's First specific things and and if you can understand I

33:18 things and and if you can understand I

33:18 things and and if you can understand I was one of those you were pulling for

33:19 was one of those you were pulling for

33:19 was one of those you were pulling for the car body car body yeah for autopia

33:22 the car body car body yeah for autopia

33:22 the car body car body yeah for autopia car so that was the mix

33:24 car so that was the mix

33:24 car so that was the mix but he was adding people every week it

33:26 but he was adding people every week it

33:26 but he was adding people every week it just kept growing and growing and

33:28 just kept growing and growing and

33:28 just kept growing and growing and growing and was it Project based when

33:30 growing and was it Project based when

33:30 growing and was it Project based when you got hired into this were you

33:32 you got hired into this were you

33:32 you got hired into this were you thinking I'm here for this project and

33:35 thinking I'm here for this project and

33:35 thinking I'm here for this project and off I go or did they say well I want you

33:37 off I go or did they say well I want you

33:37 off I go or did they say well I want you or did he come and say I want you to

33:38 or did he come and say I want you to

33:38 or did he come and say I want you to work for this company I never was able

33:41 work for this company I never was able

33:41 work for this company I never was able to take a breath because the minute I

33:43 to take a breath because the minute I

33:43 to take a breath because the minute I started the body of the Utopia car there

33:46 started the body of the Utopia car there

33:46 started the body of the Utopia car there was another one then Roger broge says

33:48 was another one then Roger broge says

33:48 was another one then Roger broge says well you've got to get going on the

33:49 well you've got to get going on the

33:49 well you've got to get going on the mechanical chassis for production

33:51 mechanical chassis for production

33:51 mechanical chassis for production Engineers while you're doing the body

33:55 Engineers while you're doing the body

33:55 Engineers while you're doing the body and then shortly after I got going on

33:57 and then shortly after I got going on

33:57 and then shortly after I got going on that like the second month Waltz

34:00 that like the second month Waltz

34:00 that like the second month Waltz um says that we've got to have some

34:03 um says that we've got to have some

34:03 um says that we've got to have some antique cars on Main Street and there's

34:05 antique cars on Main Street and there's

34:05 antique cars on Main Street and there's a guy out in San Bernardino it's got

34:06 a guy out in San Bernardino it's got

34:06 a guy out in San Bernardino it's got barns full of old cars

34:08 barns full of old cars

34:08 barns full of old cars so he asked Roger to drive me out to San

34:13 so he asked Roger to drive me out to San

34:13 so he asked Roger to drive me out to San Bernardino to see this guy a strange

34:16 Bernardino to see this guy a strange

34:16 Bernardino to see this guy a strange older guy in a black coat who had a barn

34:18 older guy in a black coat who had a barn

34:18 older guy in a black coat who had a barn full of you know 195 1910 yeah type cars

34:23 full of you know 195 1910 yeah type cars

34:23 full of you know 195 1910 yeah type cars and uh he wanted to sell him to Walt so

34:26 and uh he wanted to sell him to Walt so

34:26 and uh he wanted to sell him to Walt so that wall could fix them up and use them

34:28 that wall could fix them up and use them

34:28 that wall could fix them up and use them as antique carts for the park sure and

34:31 as antique carts for the park sure and

34:31 as antique carts for the park sure and you know made by Greenfield Village yeah

34:34 you know made by Greenfield Village yeah

34:34 you know made by Greenfield Village yeah yeah same kind of idea so Roger and I

34:37 yeah same kind of idea so Roger and I

34:37 yeah same kind of idea so Roger and I went out there Roger is not necessarily

34:39 went out there Roger is not necessarily

34:39 went out there Roger is not necessarily a car guy but he knows everything

34:40 a car guy but he knows everything

34:40 a car guy but he knows everything mechanical I'm sort of the car guy but

34:43 mechanical I'm sort of the car guy but

34:43 mechanical I'm sort of the car guy but I'm the new kid stylist yeah but we

34:46 I'm the new kid stylist yeah but we

34:46 I'm the new kid stylist yeah but we spent uh quite a long time on a in a in

34:50 spent uh quite a long time on a in a in

34:50 spent uh quite a long time on a in a in San Bernardino in the several Barns and

34:52 San Bernardino in the several Barns and

34:52 San Bernardino in the several Barns and the guy had like way over 100 cars and

34:55 the guy had like way over 100 cars and

34:55 the guy had like way over 100 cars and motorcycles all of you Dusty and not

34:58 motorcycles all of you Dusty and not

34:58 motorcycles all of you Dusty and not running you don't remember the guy's

34:59 running you don't remember the guy's

34:59 running you don't remember the guy's name by chance uh I I would it was Doc

35:04 name by chance uh I I would it was Doc

35:04 name by chance uh I I would it was Doc doc Lorenz doc Lorenz doc Lorenz yeah he

35:09 doc Lorenz doc Lorenz doc Lorenz yeah he

35:09 doc Lorenz doc Lorenz doc Lorenz yeah he was in the horse's Carriage Club I was

35:11 was in the horse's Carriage Club I was

35:11 was in the horse's Carriage Club I was in the horse's curve and well and uh

35:13 in the horse's curve and well and uh

35:13 in the horse's curve and well and uh Ward Kimball was in the horse's Carriage

35:14 Ward Kimball was in the horse's Carriage

35:14 Ward Kimball was in the horse's Carriage cup the the car guys they all know where

35:17 cup the the car guys they all know where

35:17 cup the the car guys they all know where yeah that's weird it's a weird small

35:19 yeah that's weird it's a weird small

35:19 yeah that's weird it's a weird small world oh Roger and I went back and

35:22 world oh Roger and I went back and

35:22 world oh Roger and I went back and talked to Walt and I said uh uh there's

35:26 talked to Walt and I said uh uh there's

35:26 talked to Walt and I said uh uh there's not a ghost of a chance that you would

35:28 not a ghost of a chance that you would

35:28 not a ghost of a chance that you would ever get an antique car refurbish it and

35:32 ever get an antique car refurbish it and

35:32 ever get an antique car refurbish it and expect to use it in actual daily service

35:34 expect to use it in actual daily service

35:34 expect to use it in actual daily service right a lot of the parts you gotta make

35:37 right a lot of the parts you gotta make

35:37 right a lot of the parts you gotta make them you know won't make your own part a

35:40 them you know won't make your own part a

35:40 them you know won't make your own part a replacement

35:41 replacement

35:41 replacement and uh well what are we going to do and

35:44 and uh well what are we going to do and

35:44 and uh well what are we going to do and I said well number one uh you shouldn't

35:47 I said well number one uh you shouldn't

35:47 I said well number one uh you shouldn't buy any of those cars I've looked at

35:49 buy any of those cars I've looked at

35:49 buy any of those cars I've looked at them

35:50 them

35:50 them uh it was well what are we doing well

35:52 uh it was well what are we doing well

35:52 uh it was well what are we doing well you know well it's easier to make a

35:54 you know well it's easier to make a

35:54 you know well it's easier to make a brand new old car and you looked at me

35:56 brand new old car and you looked at me

35:57 brand new old car and you looked at me like

35:57 like yeah

35:59 yeah

35:59 yeah that's well the cars are very simple

36:00 that's well the cars are very simple

36:00 that's well the cars are very simple it's a ladder frame a beam axle front

36:04 it's a ladder frame a beam axle front

36:04 it's a ladder frame a beam axle front rear it's just standard running here the

36:07 rear it's just standard running here the

36:07 rear it's just standard running here the body work if you look at these old cars

36:09 body work if you look at these old cars

36:09 body work if you look at these old cars are basically flat sheet metal yeah you

36:11 are basically flat sheet metal yeah you

36:11 are basically flat sheet metal yeah you know and uh just 10 shot shaping

36:15 know and uh just 10 shot shaping

36:15 know and uh just 10 shot shaping offenders and all that all those kind of

36:17 offenders and all that all those kind of

36:17 offenders and all that all those kind of details

36:19 details

36:19 details uh we can make

36:21 uh we can make

36:21 uh we can make because basically I was you know knew a

36:23 because basically I was you know knew a

36:23 because basically I was you know knew a lot of hot Riders here you brought up

36:25 lot of hot Riders here you brought up

36:25 lot of hot Riders here you brought up your own hot rods and rails and all that

36:27 your own hot rods and rails and all that

36:27 your own hot rods and rails and all that kind of stuff so this way you could make

36:28 kind of stuff so this way you could make

36:28 kind of stuff so this way you could make a car off the shelf yeah a car a car is

36:32 a car off the shelf yeah a car a car is

36:32 a car off the shelf yeah a car a car is not mysterious yeah just not with

36:35 not mysterious yeah just not with

36:35 not mysterious yeah just not with production parts and then basically

36:37 production parts and then basically

36:37 production parts and then basically cover it over yeah see man I talked to

36:39 cover it over yeah see man I talked to

36:39 cover it over yeah see man I talked to Roger and Roger had some catalogs of car

36:42 Roger and Roger had some catalogs of car

36:42 Roger and Roger had some catalogs of car parts uh by big catalogs called Awards

36:45 parts uh by big catalogs called Awards

36:45 parts uh by big catalogs called Awards catalog so I had access to every kind of

36:48 catalog so I had access to every kind of

36:48 catalog so I had access to every kind of details I needed and I already knew a

36:50 details I needed and I already knew a

36:50 details I needed and I already knew a lot of stuff by cars anyway and so when

36:52 lot of stuff by cars anyway and so when

36:52 lot of stuff by cars anyway and so when is this this is a month or two into

36:53 is this this is a month or two into

36:54 is this this is a month or two into having been hired building the autopia

36:56 having been hired building the autopia

36:56 having been hired building the autopia now you're into Main Street cars but he

36:58 now you're into Main Street cars but he

36:58 now you're into Main Street cars but he first wanted me to draw what what one of

37:01 first wanted me to draw what what one of

37:01 first wanted me to draw what what one of these cars look like after we made that

37:02 these cars look like after we made that

37:02 these cars look like after we made that decision sure so I made a really nice

37:06 decision sure so I made a really nice

37:06 decision sure so I made a really nice pretty black and white drawing of a type

37:09 pretty black and white drawing of a type

37:09 pretty black and white drawing of a type of car uh that would not really work

37:12 of car uh that would not really work

37:12 of car uh that would not really work well but it was you know completely

37:14 well but it was you know completely

37:14 well but it was you know completely accurate yeah but then I dropped that in

37:17 accurate yeah but then I dropped that in

37:17 accurate yeah but then I dropped that in order to continue on with the Utopia

37:19 order to continue on with the Utopia

37:19 order to continue on with the Utopia card as soon as the Utopia car we got

37:21 card as soon as the Utopia car we got

37:21 card as soon as the Utopia car we got them all produced and we're starting to

37:24 them all produced and we're starting to

37:24 them all produced and we're starting to run the park I was doing some other

37:26 run the park I was doing some other

37:26 run the park I was doing some other little jobs at the same time so the the

37:29 little jobs at the same time so the the

37:29 little jobs at the same time so the the antique cars were still a project we'll

37:31 antique cars were still a project we'll

37:31 antique cars were still a project we'll get to next so you're hooked from then

37:35 get to next so you're hooked from then

37:35 get to next so you're hooked from then on

37:36 on

37:36 on because now you're in now there's a

37:37 because now you're in now there's a

37:37 because now you're in now there's a future problem well there was one thing

37:40 future problem well there was one thing

37:40 future problem well there was one thing after another Walt kept thinking about

37:41 after another Walt kept thinking about

37:41 after another Walt kept thinking about the next things we're going to do and

37:43 the next things we're going to do and

37:43 the next things we're going to do and the next thing and the next thing so by

37:45 the next thing and the next thing so by

37:45 the next thing and the next thing so by the time of uh end of summer of 55

37:49 the time of uh end of summer of 55

37:49 the time of uh end of summer of 55 uh

37:50 uh

37:51 uh we were so busy at everything with a lot

37:53 we were so busy at everything with a lot

37:53 we were so busy at everything with a lot of stuff broke and didn't work and I

37:55 of stuff broke and didn't work and I

37:55 of stuff broke and didn't work and I know you said you were down at the

37:57 know you said you were down at the

37:57 know you said you were down at the original autopia those first series of

37:59 original autopia those first series of

37:59 original autopia those first series of cars would break down you'd be down in

38:01 cars would break down you'd be down in

38:01 cars would break down you'd be down in the park fixing them yourself even

38:03 the park fixing them yourself even

38:03 the park fixing them yourself even I had a yellow Cadillac convertible I

38:05 I had a yellow Cadillac convertible I

38:05 I had a yellow Cadillac convertible I had my own tools I parked the car on the

38:08 had my own tools I parked the car on the

38:08 had my own tools I parked the car on the ride

38:10 ride

38:10 ride my trunk opened and I'm repairing the

38:13 my trunk opened and I'm repairing the

38:13 my trunk opened and I'm repairing the cars because there's no mechanics

38:14 cars because there's no mechanics

38:14 cars because there's no mechanics available they were repairing broken

38:17 available they were repairing broken

38:17 available they were repairing broken alligators and everything else that was

38:20 alligators and everything else that was

38:20 alligators and everything else that was coming apart

38:21 coming apart

38:21 coming apart and one day Walt came around the corner

38:23 and one day Walt came around the corner

38:23 and one day Walt came around the corner of this little kind of a little

38:26 of this little kind of a little

38:26 of this little kind of a little sun shade like thing that's all we had

38:28 sun shade like thing that's all we had

38:28 sun shade like thing that's all we had that little Rich field yeah thing

38:30 that little Rich field yeah thing

38:30 that little Rich field yeah thing another thing like that and he didn't

38:32 another thing like that and he didn't

38:32 another thing like that and he didn't say much but the look on his face and

38:35 say much but the look on his face and

38:35 say much but the look on his face and looking at my Cadillac and looking at

38:37 looking at my Cadillac and looking at

38:37 looking at my Cadillac and looking at how many cars are piling up out there

38:40 how many cars are piling up out there

38:40 how many cars are piling up out there uh and indicated that well you need you

38:44 uh and indicated that well you need you

38:44 uh and indicated that well you need you need some help here and I said could you

38:46 need some help here and I said could you

38:46 need some help here and I said could you get me a couple of mechanics I could

38:49 get me a couple of mechanics I could

38:49 get me a couple of mechanics I could have

38:50 have

38:50 have uh because it was obvious you know I'm

38:53 uh because it was obvious you know I'm

38:53 uh because it was obvious you know I'm the hands are all beat up preparing cars

38:56 the hands are all beat up preparing cars

38:56 the hands are all beat up preparing cars yeah I'd do two things why did a part

39:00 yeah I'd do two things why did a part

39:00 yeah I'd do two things why did a part fail

39:01 fail

39:01 fail what do I replace it with sure and then

39:04 what do I replace it with sure and then

39:04 what do I replace it with sure and then do it 40 times right yeah that and one

39:09 do it 40 times right yeah that and one

39:09 do it 40 times right yeah that and one one piece at a time when you look at old

39:12 one piece at a time when you look at old

39:12 one piece at a time when you look at old video and old pictures that first

39:14 video and old pictures that first

39:14 video and old pictures that first tomorrow and you got a big metal cage

39:16 tomorrow and you got a big metal cage

39:16 tomorrow and you got a big metal cage with people flying model airplanes I

39:19 with people flying model airplanes I

39:19 with people flying model airplanes I mean the Kaiser Aluminum telescope what

39:22 mean the Kaiser Aluminum telescope what

39:22 mean the Kaiser Aluminum telescope what was your impression of that place well

39:24 was your impression of that place well

39:24 was your impression of that place well you must have got to walk around a

39:25 you must have got to walk around a

39:25 you must have got to walk around a little bit between fixing autopia cars

39:28 little bit between fixing autopia cars

39:28 little bit between fixing autopia cars and just wandered what was your

39:30 and just wandered what was your

39:30 and just wandered what was your impression of that place when it in that

39:32 impression of that place when it in that

39:32 impression of that place when it in that first couple years

39:34 first couple years

39:34 first couple years well

39:36 well uh the little show with the u-control

39:39 uh the little show with the u-control

39:39 uh the little show with the u-control airplane that was that was the Cox

39:41 airplane that was that was the Cox

39:41 airplane that was that was the Cox company well they're very powerful you

39:43 company well they're very powerful you

39:43 company well they're very powerful you control is very popular in that little

39:44 control is very popular in that little

39:44 control is very popular in that little boat right oh that little car stuff but

39:47 boat right oh that little car stuff but

39:47 boat right oh that little car stuff but the one that I just thought oh this is

39:49 the one that I just thought oh this is

39:49 the one that I just thought oh this is hopeless the crane

39:51 hopeless the crane

39:51 hopeless the crane plumbing company had a modern toilet

39:54 plumbing company had a modern toilet

39:54 plumbing company had a modern toilet they were featuring

40:01 at the same time in the next building we

40:01 at the same time in the next building we had a movie set from 20 000 leagues yeah

40:04 had a movie set from 20 000 leagues yeah

40:04 had a movie set from 20 000 leagues yeah Walt filled tomorrow then with any

40:08 Walt filled tomorrow then with any

40:08 Walt filled tomorrow then with any scrap of anything that we could put in

40:10 scrap of anything that we could put in

40:10 scrap of anything that we could put in there it's okay there's so much more

40:11 there it's okay there's so much more

40:12 there it's okay there's so much more stuff I want to ask you but I guess I'm

40:14 stuff I want to ask you but I guess I'm

40:14 stuff I want to ask you but I guess I'm gonna have to ask you will you come back

40:16 gonna have to ask you will you come back

40:16 gonna have to ask you will you come back again and do this again oh and it's so

40:18 again and do this again oh and it's so

40:18 again and do this again oh and it's so fun and I want to do it for five more

40:19 fun and I want to do it for five more

40:19 fun and I want to do it for five more hours before I let you go there's a

40:21 hours before I let you go there's a

40:21 hours before I let you go there's a bunch of questions that the people in

40:23 bunch of questions that the people in

40:23 bunch of questions that the people in the adventures club ask not too many

40:25 the adventures club ask not too many

40:25 the adventures club ask not too many what was your favorite restaurant down

40:26 what was your favorite restaurant down

40:26 what was your favorite restaurant down there at Disneyland the pirate ship the

40:28 there at Disneyland the pirate ship the

40:28 there at Disneyland the pirate ship the chicken Plantation what are we talking

40:30 chicken Plantation what are we talking

40:30 chicken Plantation what are we talking oh that's funny you should mention that

40:32 oh that's funny you should mention that

40:32 oh that's funny you should mention that I love taking my break on the boat on

40:35 I love taking my break on the boat on

40:35 I love taking my break on the boat on the chicken of the sea boat really

40:37 the chicken of the sea boat really

40:37 the chicken of the sea boat really because you could either sit on the boat

40:39 because you could either sit on the boat

40:39 because you could either sit on the boat in this bright sunny or if it's hot you

40:41 in this bright sunny or if it's hot you

40:41 in this bright sunny or if it's hot you go over and sit under the little tarps

40:43 go over and sit under the little tarps

40:43 go over and sit under the little tarps you know by the water yeah by the

40:44 you know by the water yeah by the

40:45 you know by the water yeah by the bicycle Rock Mountain yeah Skull Rock I

40:47 bicycle Rock Mountain yeah Skull Rock I

40:47 bicycle Rock Mountain yeah Skull Rock I love sitting at Skull Rock because I can

40:49 love sitting at Skull Rock because I can

40:49 love sitting at Skull Rock because I can look at the whole boat yeah it was so

40:52 look at the whole boat yeah it was so

40:52 look at the whole boat yeah it was so femi and eating that tuna how was the

40:54 femi and eating that tuna how was the

40:54 femi and eating that tuna how was the tuna it was good I can't imagine eating

40:57 tuna it was good I can't imagine eating

40:57 tuna it was good I can't imagine eating hot tuna in a hot sauce I like tuna all

41:01 hot tuna in a hot sauce I like tuna all

41:01 hot tuna in a hot sauce I like tuna all right well now I'll I'll let you go now

41:04 right well now I'll I'll let you go now

41:04 right well now I'll I'll let you go now well there's so much more I want to ask

41:05 well there's so much more I want to ask

41:05 well there's so much more I want to ask you so you have to promise me we'll do

41:07 you so you have to promise me we'll do

41:07 you so you have to promise me we'll do it again yeah well you got got 12 more

41:09 it again yeah well you got got 12 more

41:09 it again yeah well you got got 12 more episodes coming up we have plenty we

41:11 episodes coming up we have plenty we

41:11 episodes coming up we have plenty we have always uh we have always we always

41:14 have always uh we have always we always

41:14 have always uh we have always we always have these type of conversations we

41:15 have these type of conversations we

41:15 have these type of conversations we never record them yeah get more

41:17 never record them yeah get more

41:17 never record them yeah get more questions oh I have a lot more yeah from

41:19 questions oh I have a lot more yeah from

41:19 questions oh I have a lot more yeah from them you want me to get more questions

41:20 them you want me to get more questions

41:20 them you want me to get more questions from you tell me what you make a deal I

41:23 from you tell me what you make a deal I

41:23 from you tell me what you make a deal I want to have the questions about all the

41:25 want to have the questions about all the

41:25 want to have the questions about all the things that I did not do for Disney yes

41:27 things that I did not do for Disney yes

41:27 things that I did not do for Disney yes so now and they need to go out and

41:29 so now and they need to go out and

41:29 so now and they need to go out and research I did 100 for Disney 150 for

41:32 research I did 100 for Disney 150 for

41:32 research I did 100 for Disney 150 for everybody else and they got to try to

41:35 everybody else and they got to try to

41:35 everybody else and they got to try to find out what did I do that they didn't

41:37 find out what did I do that they didn't

41:37 find out what did I do that they didn't know I did it yes and then ask the

41:39 know I did it yes and then ask the

41:39 know I did it yes and then ask the question 150 projects that were after

41:41 question 150 projects that were after

41:41 question 150 projects that were after Disney that's right and let's ask about

41:43 Disney that's right and let's ask about

41:43 Disney that's right and let's ask about those I have more Disneyland questions

41:45 those I have more Disneyland questions

41:45 those I have more Disneyland questions for you but not but different different

41:47 for you but not but different different

41:47 for you but not but different different we'll save those for another time Bob

41:49 we'll save those for another time Bob

41:49 we'll save those for another time Bob thank you all right very much I always

41:52 thank you all right very much I always

41:52 thank you all right very much I always love seeing you and uh hopefully we'll

41:55 love seeing you and uh hopefully we'll

41:55 love seeing you and uh hopefully we'll come back and we'll do it again okay

41:58 come back and we'll do it again okay

41:58 come back and we'll do it again okay I'll even visit randomly and someday

42:01 I'll even visit randomly and someday

42:01 I'll even visit randomly and someday yeah find out where it is if you ever

42:03 yeah find out where it is if you ever

42:03 yeah find out where it is if you ever find out where it is Bob girl ladies and

42:06 find out where it is Bob girl ladies and

42:06 find out where it is Bob girl ladies and gentlemen a true living Legend I mean

42:09 gentlemen a true living Legend I mean

42:09 gentlemen a true living Legend I mean what else can you say about the man

42:10 what else can you say about the man

42:10 what else can you say about the man apparently a whole lot Bob would tell

42:12 apparently a whole lot Bob would tell

42:12 apparently a whole lot Bob would tell you that the portion that you've just

42:14 you that the portion that you've just

42:14 you that the portion that you've just seen in that interview would be the

42:15 seen in that interview would be the

42:15 seen in that interview would be the boring portion because of course Bob has

42:17 boring portion because of course Bob has

42:17 boring portion because of course Bob has lived a long life in 91 years he did 100

42:20 lived a long life in 91 years he did 100

42:20 lived a long life in 91 years he did 100 projects for the Walt Disney Company and

42:22 projects for the Walt Disney Company and

42:22 projects for the Walt Disney Company and 150 for other people as he said and he

42:26 150 for other people as he said and he

42:26 150 for other people as he said and he often gets asked about creating

42:27 often gets asked about creating

42:27 often gets asked about creating Disneyland and doing all that work there

42:29 Disneyland and doing all that work there

42:29 Disneyland and doing all that work there what was Walt Disney like and so that's

42:31 what was Walt Disney like and so that's

42:31 what was Walt Disney like and so that's old hat to him Bob also has a lot of

42:34 old hat to him Bob also has a lot of

42:34 old hat to him Bob also has a lot of other very interesting ideas and we

42:35 other very interesting ideas and we

42:35 other very interesting ideas and we delve into them in the whole full three

42:37 delve into them in the whole full three

42:37 delve into them in the whole full three and a half hour long interview about

42:39 and a half hour long interview about

42:39 and a half hour long interview about working for Michael Jackson about leaps

42:42 working for Michael Jackson about leaps

42:42 working for Michael Jackson about leaps of Courage he had to take which I found

42:44 of Courage he had to take which I found

42:44 of Courage he had to take which I found maybe the most interesting it was a long

42:46 maybe the most interesting it was a long

42:46 maybe the most interesting it was a long road for him to get to that job building

42:49 road for him to get to that job building

42:49 road for him to get to that job building Disneyland where he worked for Ford

42:50 Disneyland where he worked for Ford

42:50 Disneyland where he worked for Ford Motor Company and how did he end up

42:51 Motor Company and how did he end up

42:51 Motor Company and how did he end up leaving there and deciding like this is

42:53 leaving there and deciding like this is

42:53 leaving there and deciding like this is a dead-end road for me how do I get back

42:55 a dead-end road for me how do I get back

42:55 a dead-end road for me how do I get back to Disneyland where does creativity come

42:57 to Disneyland where does creativity come

42:57 to Disneyland where does creativity come from are you born with it is it

42:58 from are you born with it is it

42:58 from are you born with it is it something you can learn what are the

43:00 something you can learn what are the

43:00 something you can learn what are the indispensable parts of

43:02 indispensable parts of

43:03 indispensable parts of um being a creator of things and how you

43:05 um being a creator of things and how you

43:05 um being a creator of things and how you have to have this certain type of

43:07 have to have this certain type of

43:07 have to have this certain type of curiosity what does the that mean it's a

43:09 curiosity what does the that mean it's a

43:09 curiosity what does the that mean it's a whole long very fascinating interview

43:11 whole long very fascinating interview

43:11 whole long very fascinating interview and it's one of uh we hope many

43:14 and it's one of uh we hope many

43:14 and it's one of uh we hope many sit-downs that Bob and I will be able to

43:16 sit-downs that Bob and I will be able to

43:16 sit-downs that Bob and I will be able to have coming up here in the future and of

43:18 have coming up here in the future and of

43:18 have coming up here in the future and of course there's going to be many other

43:20 course there's going to be many other

43:20 course there's going to be many other notable guests I hope coming on the

43:22 notable guests I hope coming on the

43:22 notable guests I hope coming on the randomland podcast in the near future as

43:26 randomland podcast in the near future as

43:26 randomland podcast in the near future as well like I said it lives over at our

43:28 well like I said it lives over at our

43:28 well like I said it lives over at our patreon so you can go down in the links

43:30 patreon so you can go down in the links

43:30 patreon so you can go down in the links below you can find out all about that

43:32 below you can find out all about that

43:32 below you can find out all about that there's an audio version and there's the

43:34 there's an audio version and there's the

43:34 there's an audio version and there's the fancy video version for the full three

43:36 fancy video version for the full three

43:36 fancy video version for the full three and a half hours with Bob ger on there

43:38 and a half hours with Bob ger on there

43:38 and a half hours with Bob ger on there and uh yeah I'm trying to think what

43:40 and uh yeah I'm trying to think what

43:40 and uh yeah I'm trying to think what else to say other than we've really got

43:42 else to say other than we've really got

43:42 else to say other than we've really got to thank haunted Orange County for

43:45 to thank haunted Orange County for

43:45 to thank haunted Orange County for Lending us the use of their haunted

43:46 Lending us the use of their haunted

43:46 Lending us the use of their haunted Orange County Studio where they do the

43:48 Orange County Studio where they do the

43:48 Orange County Studio where they do the haunted Orange County podcast and where

43:50 haunted Orange County podcast and where

43:51 haunted Orange County podcast and where uh they are working on all kinds of new

43:53 uh they are working on all kinds of new

43:53 uh they are working on all kinds of new projects I probably am not supposed to

43:55 projects I probably am not supposed to

43:55 projects I probably am not supposed to tell you about but that's hauntedoc.com

43:57 tell you about but that's hauntedoc.com

43:57 tell you about but that's hauntedoc.com they do ghost tours of Orange County

43:58 they do ghost tours of Orange County

43:58 they do ghost tours of Orange County there's all kinds of paranormal events

44:00 there's all kinds of paranormal events

44:00 there's all kinds of paranormal events and weird things like that hey

44:02 and weird things like that hey

44:02 and weird things like that hey Halloween's coming up right so a lot of

44:03 Halloween's coming up right so a lot of

44:03 Halloween's coming up right so a lot of good stuff on there cannot thank them

44:05 good stuff on there cannot thank them

44:05 good stuff on there cannot thank them enough for uh filming and sort of

44:08 enough for uh filming and sort of

44:08 enough for uh filming and sort of managing the Angles and producing the

44:10 managing the Angles and producing the

44:10 managing the Angles and producing the podcast for us so we hope to use their

44:13 podcast for us so we hope to use their

44:13 podcast for us so we hope to use their facility many more times in the future

44:15 facility many more times in the future

44:15 facility many more times in the future like I said there's some great people

44:16 like I said there's some great people

44:16 like I said there's some great people coming up on the random line podcast we

44:18 coming up on the random line podcast we

44:18 coming up on the random line podcast we hope to do them at least once a month so

44:20 hope to do them at least once a month so

44:20 hope to do them at least once a month so go over to patreon.com I think it's

44:23 go over to patreon.com I think it's

44:23 go over to patreon.com I think it's Justin scarred that's my name to ours

44:24 Justin scarred that's my name to ours

44:24 Justin scarred that's my name to ours not scared even though Halloween is

44:26 not scared even though Halloween is

44:26 not scared even though Halloween is coming

44:27 coming

44:27 coming and uh really there's nothing more to

44:29 and uh really there's nothing more to

44:29 and uh really there's nothing more to say for now I hope you enjoyed that

44:30 say for now I hope you enjoyed that

44:30 say for now I hope you enjoyed that we'll see you again for now you've done

44:33 we'll see you again for now you've done

44:33 we'll see you again for now you've done your duty you can go home and sleep well

44:37 your duty you can go home and sleep well

44:37 your duty you can go home and sleep well and before I forget Bob Curry is on

44:39 and before I forget Bob Curry is on

44:39 and before I forget Bob Curry is on Facebook and Instagram Bob gurr official

44:41 Facebook and Instagram Bob gurr official

44:41 Facebook and Instagram Bob gurr official and also fandomproductions.com where

44:44 and also fandomproductions.com where

44:44 and also fandomproductions.com where he's got Bob ger merchandise and stuff

44:47 he's got Bob ger merchandise and stuff

44:47 he's got Bob ger merchandise and stuff like that signed Bob gur items which are

44:49 like that signed Bob gur items which are

44:49 like that signed Bob gur items which are true Treasures from a living legend and

44:51 true Treasures from a living legend and

44:51 true Treasures from a living legend and don't forget we've got one of those sick

44:52 don't forget we've got one of those sick

44:52 don't forget we've got one of those sick merchandise stores as well okay you've

44:54 merchandise stores as well okay you've

44:54 merchandise stores as well okay you've done your duty go home sleep well go

44:56 done your duty go home sleep well go

44:56 done your duty go home sleep well go home

Interview with Bob Gurr, Walt Disney's Imagineer! - Randomland Conversations #1

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